h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

abi...

it took me a while to calm down after reading the posting on one of our projects saying:" But the Net belongs to everyone in it, I suppose..." it sounded to me like some people wished it wasn't.. here is the link if anyone want to check if i was wrong to feel that way...

F108611?thread=270821

anyway, i promised some links about LDers and h2g2 so here they are:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/plain/FFM19585?thread=264005&skip=100&show=20#p3250749

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/plain/FFM55683?thread=264448&skip=140&show=20#p331539

F95994?thread=267686&latest=1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/plain/FFM113439?thread=267559&skip=0&show=20#p3344650

and one good entry which gives an idea of what LeisureDistrict was: A992171

talk soon...

loup

and while the question wasn't obviously asked to me yep we did have some forums or very similar anyway in the LD library where we quoted on many and various subjects... the entry i posted the link to is actually listing some of them...

back in a mo' with links to some of the projects which show a positive image of the LDers on h2g2 [some of them actually involving non-LDers as well] and prove that even people coming from a chat site can become part of hootoo even if it's different from their old site...



loup

I wonder if part of the problem is that the Community that came out of Douglas's involvement are really committed to the ideals that came from him. Douglas 's main aim for h2g2 was the creation of the Edited Guide. He didn't anticipate the levels of non-Edited Guide material that would be produced by the Community. Fair enough, his interest was in creating a real guide to Life, the Universe and Everything and incorporating the technology he was so passionate about.

I hope I am not going to offend any LD users here but their main aim was to find somewhere to replace what they had lost. What they had lost was pure Community and h2g2 allows them to replace that to a certain extent. The fact that these two things are so disparate ends up producing a huge amount of tension. Neither side is right, but at the moment it feels like two tectonic plates are locked together and eventually something is going to have to give.

hi abi...

that's also why the friends of LD was founded so that ex-LDers will be part of what hootoo is about... we might not have many LDers having edited entries yet [tho' some have also contributed to some collective ones] but there is no reasons why there won't be more eventually... a bit of encouragement from established h2g2ers would not be amiss regarding that point...

the community part is actually, if i remember well and/or didn't misunderstand, encouraged when it comes to DNA sites [ A787250 ]... all that's needed at the moment for most of the ex-LDers on here is to be given a chance by the established h2g2ers... that won't happen with posters _openly_ asking if h2g2 is the right place for us...

like for _any_ newbies coming from _any_ sites some will adapt to the ways of hootoo and its purpose and, eventually will even contribute to the edited guide... those who can't or won't make the effort usually leave after a while anyway... so there is no real danger for h2g2...



loup

i think what i meant is that i/we agree with you...

some links of projects which hopefully will show that we're not that different than any other h2g2ers:

A1027171 The LDers' Advice Corner... used to be a dedicated thread of the FoLDers Arms and now a soon to be opened project on its own [notice the fact that quite a few non-LDers are involved as well]

A1022310 The French Language Help Desk... to be open soon [a few more names needed to make it as efficient as possible] and there to give something back to the h2g2 community...

A909010 The Friends of LeisureDistrict's Quotes and Other Stuffs Section... some of its threads are starting to become rather informative now...

A844256 Fellow LDers Favourite TV Series... in need of updating but/and kind of being revived....

A830035 The Friends Of LD's Writing Competition... on hold at the moment as we've been rather busy helping the newly arrived LDers but the principle is very close to what h2g2 is about: writing entries and this project is there to encourage LDers to do so...

A824122 Celebrating Our Fellow LDers' Contributions To H2G2... (Index)... an ongoing project as people don't always come to us to tell us about the entries they've wrote... but, it's there also to encourage ex-LDers to contribute to the guide [edited or not]

i left out a few others but they're mentioned in some of the links i provided earlier...

nothing like a good plugging exercise to cheer me up...



loup

Hi Loup

You are right, community is key to DNA because DNA is all about you lot creating the content.

LD users are really welcome here - hey without you guys, I would be redundant. Any one saying you are not welcome does not represent the views of the Editorial team.

I was only asking because I didn't know what LD was, and was curious about it. I had no intention of annoying anyone, or of touching some kind of raw nerve I had no idea existed. Sorry for asking, really.

Don't be silly!

To be honest, I didn't know either until I tracked someone down who could tell me. And you shouldn't apologise for touching a raw nerve, because it is important that these things are out in the open.

DogManStar...

you might have done us a favour actually by asking as it helped me put on [virtual] paper certain points which will be needed in a [hopefully] soon to come entry...

it was _only_ bad timing i suppose as, as you can see from some of the links i've posted earlier, there are talks on h2g2 about the newbies affecting or not hootoo... with of course references to chat sites...

the important thing is that it helped clarify certain things [i hope it did anyway]...

so no problem...



loup

a delayed simulpost... i didn't see abi's post...



loup

DogManStar I hope your question has been answered, if there's anything you'd still like to know about LD, please ask.

One thing we forgot to mention, was the 'magic email' - The digibox has email, an email with the link to h2g2 is 'passed' between LDers.
(I use aol & can send a 'magic email' link for h2g2 to any digibox user)

Loup When did you last have a holiday, or just take a few days break from h2g2, I'm a bit concerned you get very stressed

When I replied to this thread, I didn't read it as you seem to have done, I simply saw it as someone seeking information about something they were curious about.

I understand your desire to defend LDers, (I tend to do the same with newbies whether they are LDers or not) We were both quite defensive in the Askh2g2 thread.

Though, I do suggest (diplomatically of course) to newbies whether or not they are LDers, that they not use capital letters, or chat room abbrevs. in serious conversations or ask for asl's. (If I'm in as conversation thread when they use them) That's a pet hate of mine, asl's when you meet someone in RL, you don't ask 'how old are you' and 'where are you from' in the first 30 seconds, so why do that in a chat room. Your just talking, what does age & location matter. (whinge over )

I've been using h2g2 for over a year. When I first registered I spent a lot of time explaining to Gurus (mainly Whisky & Amy the ant) what a digibox was, and what it could and couldn't do. I had virtually no technical knowledge, to me, a cookie was something with chocolate chips in that I dunked in my coffee. (I must've drove them mad ) I beleive I also had a big part in ending the confussion of calling a digibox a web tv - I used the knowledge I had gathered through my experiences and the advice I received to create 'h2g2 Via Digibox' - A751501 connected to part 2 - A757181 (now called 'History of h2g2 Via Digibox')to help LDers using a digibox, which is what sets them aprt from other h2g2ers IMO that their access is different, and more complicated.(not sure that's the right word) There was limited help for LDers before Friends of LD. I always felt that the emphasis on the conversations with the Gurus was one of wanting to understand and help with the problems I was having. What I'm trying to say in a very long way is, on the whole LDers are accepted and welcomed, (and have been for quite some time) it's only a small minority that have a problem with them.

I hope I've said this in a diplomatic way

Emmily

Yes, thankyou Emmily (in fact, thankyou all), it has been most helpful and answered a lot of questions. I'd read through a couple of LD'ers postings and pretty much worked out what it was about, and now that I know that the LD replacement is considered inferior, I understand a tiny bit more about why LD'ers should come to H2.

However, it still seems a somewhat unlikely union. That my perfectly innocent enquiry seemed to cause rather a stir seems to indicate that it is something of a touchy subject, however diplomatic the Guide at large wants to be about it. It's highly laudable that LD'ers are being encouraged to come to the Guide, and to take part in it. I just don't want to be witnessing a not-particularly-thirsty horse being lead to water.

Sorry about the 'Net belongs to everyone' posting of mine elsewhere that was linked into this conversation, too. I thought it was quite a nice thing to say, really, and was vaguely astonished that 'calming down' was required after reading it. Yikes it, if you like.

Yeah, I'd noticed a "change in style" in a lot of recent postings - not that change is a bad thing, I hasten to add! But I've always felt that one of h2g2's many strengths is that it's different from a chat room. And it is irksome on a thread about a specific topic to go off on a tangent consisting of an exchange of personal information.

Erm, what's asl, when it's at home

Age Sex Location

Hmmmm I wonder what they are after?

Aaaah, you see? That sort of thing never used to happen openly on threads before, and you'd never outright ask a researcher those details. If they are volunteered on a user space, fine, but we're all entitled to privacy/ anonymity/ an alternative online persona that may (or may not) differ to our Real Life equivalent.

Oh dear, I seem to be harking after this mythical Golden Age....

...I'll get me coat

luckystar don't go yet... i really wanted to ask you your ASL... meant to ask before but i kinda forgot at the time...

naaah seriously ASL is something that many former Lders who have been on here for a while don't really like to see on their convos... it's more or less an habit which will eventually disappear after a while [thanks to the personal spaces on here]...

DogManStar... i never yikes someone's posting after i told them that there was no problem... as far as i was concerned the subject was closed...


emmily... err thanks [i think] for your concern about my health.. tho' now that makes it a bit difficult for me to explain why i perceived some comments a certain way... it's fortunate that i don't need to then...
i suppose that we all see different things in everything depending on our _own_ experiences or/and certain events witnessed... quite normal in a way and it brings some interesting discussions as a bonus...



loup

oooopppppssss Loup, I've expressed my concern for you in another conversation before I read this.

I Emmily do hereby swear infront of these witnesses not to express concern for Loup again.

I'm not as sensitive about things here as I used to be, and when things do get stressful, I take a couple of days off from h2g2, as I did this last weekend. IMO it's good have a break from time to time.

Emmily

Hi to you all...
I'm an Ex Lder too and I had my magic email for 2 yrs..
when I got it,it opened a new life to me. Although at first I didn't know what was in my hands at first, I thought it was marvellous. Browsing thro' the the DNA sites I got lost on several occasions with the wonderment of it all.
Im sorry some people are upset with our community within a community and must agree with Loup eventually that the "chatsite Forum" abbre.s and the such,ASL will eventually not become a "habit"
I for one is very happy to be involved in hootoo as it can be a very lonely place in"The Real World"...and I feel part of this community..
but then again everyone cannot be pleased some of the time nor all of the time.

Well thats me six-penny worth sorry for any offence cos none was intended..

Di

>>Age Sex Location

>Hmmmm I wonder what they are after?

I should point out that when I said this, I wasn't referring to LD users on h2g2.

As someone who used to be a member of the Odigo community, I would often get pinged with this and then it followed with 'Do you want to cyber?'. So I generally associate this with people who are looking for virtual gratification.