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Hi 3D,

Isn't that what happens now? There's a 'referred awaiting moderation' message and a 'hidden during moderation because it broke the rules' message.

And hear hear to letting the community know when someone has been banned (and preferably why, at least in terms of which rule(s) they broke if not specifics). Especially if it's a prominent person on the site (which, to get banned, you pretty much have to be by definition - you don't tend to get banned for a one-off post, therefore you have to post a lot to get banned).

Gif

Isn't moderation often just an automatic filter? On one of the word association threads, after some 'atom' type words, the word bo-mb was posted. What was a reasonable 'association' word could have been construed as an instruction by a machine. Surely a human wouldn't have yikes-ed it (and it disappeared almost immediately)

You're probably correct Gif...if I had less of a life I'd read and remember the messages corrcetly. As I didn;t see the message in place of my post I don;t know.

Apols if my post was rubbish then.

Ta Gif.

There's four reasons a post can be modded: because the profanity filter has been tripped (though we're not allowed to know which precise words will trip it); because a Researcher has hit the button and it gets referred to the Italic(s); because the weekend mods have taken offence (and they're pretty prudish, though you've got a good chance of getting one of their mods overturned); or because one of the Italics has read it and taken offence.

The filther is always on and will pick up something wherever it is posted, the weekend mods tend to stick to the busiest/most popular threads and the Pisa People tend to use their insight into us to keep an eye on the threads they think will cause trouble.

Using this knowledge you can usually work out who has modded your post. I think there's a difference in language that tells you if your post has tripped the filther or been reported by a human.

From what I've heard both the weekend mods and the Italics tend to leave personal spaces alone unless they're meeting one of the above conditions so if you've been modded in your PS, chances are it was either the filther or the er.

Surely the rules on someones PS should be much less securely watched. I mean swearing can't really offend anyone on there since if you dont like it then you wont be their friend so wont wonder onto their PS.
The only real reasons i could see would be if they were specifically attacking a dedicated person or persons rather than a large group.

I don't see why the reasons a person is banned should be made public to everyone..Privacy maybe an issue in most cases.

Also you are all behaving as though you own the site and have last say..when in fact it is the BEEB that pays the piper and calls the tune.

Don't forget it can take time for yikesed posts to return and that's as much to do with a lack of moderators.Making the banning procedure more complicated won't help.

Indeed if there is a clear and concise step by step path to being banned I can see some folk setting out to make one last grandiose gesture before a final banning.I say this as a moderator myself having seen the fun some folk can have.

Since the site and the BEEB is run by a non-negotiable tax and is publicly owned we do own the site....

There was a transgression procedure set up for a while...ironically, created by the then Hoo/SorB personage...it wasn't in force when he went on permenant gardening leave.

It's still the Beebs to do with as they see fit..possibly to drop altogether if it becomes to difficult to administer...and researchers demanding rights at every turn might just persuade them to abandon the site..

Well I always thought Hoo was a great laff, and hootoo was infinitely more interesting with him than without.

But he knew the rules, had been living on the edge for ages and when push came to shove he must of known they were going to ban him eventually.

Strangely I also kinda miss Della, A good Hoo/Della fight would really liven up a dreary afternoon in the office...

FB

P.S.

If Nighthoover is the Deity in these parts, does that make Hoo the antichrist for being thrown out?

FB

This might clear up a few things

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Hi Feisor,

Interesting link:

>Most of the time, such actions will be accidental and aside from *editing or removing* that particular contribution no other action will be taken

(My emphasis.) I'd like to see 'edit' used more often; partly removing a post with a note saying why it was removed would be better than yanking the whole thing. For instance, I recently had a long post 'failed' elsewhere on the Beeb because it contained a non-English text string (which was also translated into English). They could just have put <> and re-inserted the post.

>we may be forced to terminate the individual's account. [...] an email will be sent notifying the individual of this.

This conflicts with what seems to have happened to SoRB. Either he missed the email, or the procedures weren't followed...?

Gif

AFAIK the transgressions procedure hasn't been used for some years. I did think the Eds were still emailing people and giving an explanation Possibly they thought that was redundant with Hoo

F78003?thread=2394753 from that page shows a bit more> Note the date.

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Nestor notabilis


THey should understand the 'subtleties' since they are the ones who are watching over us.

I have thought for sometime there should be two messages for yikesed posts: one to say a member of the public(lurker/researcher) yikesed the post and one to say the mods/eds hid the post (maybe say mod or ed to make it clear).
<< 3Dots

I think the moderators (not the Eds, the mods are not part of h2g2, or even the bbc) see the posts chronologically. i.e. they don't sit down and read a thread from start to finish. So they can't know context - they see the post in isolation.

The Eds can look at the context, and in my experience do when asked nicely.

As has already been pointed out, there are two moderation messages, one for removed and one for referred to the Eds. Unfortunately they are very similar looking, and the somewhat ambiguously phrased.

I don't know if yikesed posts are hidden automatically or if a mod picks them up. I've seen them disappear quickly.

I don't know if knowing if a post was yikesed by us or them is useful. What difference would it make?


As for the filter, I thought it just refused to let you post if you had a banned word. There's no automatic hiding/removal of posts is there? If something gets through the filter then the mods will remove it if it breaks the house rules.

From memory Hoo got his final ban for posting Della's real name. Which incidentally appeared on her personal space but was something of a hootoo faux pas.

FB

Why'd Wolfie get banned, it used to be SUCH fun to light the blue touchpaper....

Ferrettbadger, Some yiksed my nickname.....


Correct and the name still does/did on a post by an ACE when SoRB posted it. He was highlighting the double standards as he wasn't putting up any information thath was not on the site at that time. But that's the problem with us lot we'll push when things are absurd or wrong rather than ignoring it...which makes the site what it is but get's us in trouble.

As I remember her real name is ooooo cake...

"Why'd Wolfie get banned, it used to be SUCH fun to light the blue touchpaper...."

Maybe 2legs thought he was chasing the number one rambling loonie title, and sent round Harry the Minnow?

Or, maybe the constant stream of (for want of a better description) conciousness, got a bit too much. Eventually.

Why DID wolfie get banned? I was off the site for 2 years and he must have happened while I was hiating.

"read the context"
How much of a thread would be considered context.
I mean if its PR argument like some that ive read it would make sense to read all of it but some threads go on for ages (not mentioning Yikes of course).
Id certainly agree that mods and eds read at least some of the prior posts (i expect thhat the eds do) to understand certain comments.