A Conversation for Talking Point: 11 September, 2001
English is not British
Goti (Fish) ACE (SAS) Prof. JOIN H2G2 SAS A592102 Posted Oct 19, 2001
Because during Britons ancient past it has been invaded by so many people and when we colonized other parts of the world (including the U S before independence) the English language is not British per say but a mess of other languages and grammatical rules which is why GOTI (the original intention for my name(the spelling the Spelling)can be pronounced "Fish". G as in enough etc... As a result English is widely accepted as one of the most difficult languages to learn with the possible acceptation of from Weston countries POV of the Eastern Dialects; Chinese etc. any one studying British as another language can see words that are almost identical to there own that mean the same or similar things vitiating only slightly in spelling and pronunciations.
Im sorry for any miss spelt words although I’m British I cant wrap my head round some of the rules
Goth, meant to be Goti but it stuck
War- be sensitive to others
The H2G2 Editors Posted Oct 19, 2001
Hi everyone
During the current international situation it's very important that we're all aware of the sensitivities of others.
We're pleased to see so much well-reasoned intelligent debate on h2g2 and we want this to continue.
It's therefore important that Researchers post to conversations in a polite manner and are *always* respectful of others. We'd like Researchers to bear this mind when posting.
Postings that are offensive or inflammatory will be removed.
It's always good to see the community intervening to calm a heated situation. Thanks for pointing out the House Rules and the ethos of this Community.
The Editors
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The H2G2 Editors Posted Oct 19, 2001
Lucinda
Researcher 186155 (who was known as OBL until his name was failed) joined h2g2 yesterday, at 17:15 GMT.
We do not have any other Researchers using the name 'OBL' or'OBL (deceased)' on the database.
The Editors
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Martin Harper Posted Oct 19, 2001
I guess my memory has failed then, or "OBL (deceased)" has come back with the same ID and changed their name... I never meant to imply that the new OBL was the same person as the old one, simply that the name was totally innocuous a few months ago, and it does seem silly (to me) to censor three letter acronyms. Not a matter for this forum, though...
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I'm not really here Posted Oct 19, 2001
FYI Lucinda, his page stated that the letters OBL did stand for what they look like they stand for.
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Mark Moxon Posted Oct 19, 2001
"has come back with the same ID and changed their name..."
If they'd done that, they'd still have their lower ID number; this account was created yesterday with this name, and nobody has used that name before on h2g2. Still, it's not really important...
As for it seeming "silly to censor three letter acronyms", I can think of at least two groups with terrorist links that have three letter acronyms by which they are known to a global audience. I'm sure you can think of them too...
English is not British
the autist formerly known as flinch Posted Oct 19, 2001
Like most sucsessful societies, the UK and the US are formed from a rich cultural mix which is constanly added to, being strengthened culturally and economically through immigration and mutual integration.
Vive la differance!
Anonamous acronyms
the autist formerly known as flinch Posted Oct 19, 2001
CIA?, KGB?, MOSSAD's too long, they never play properly!
Out of interest who were you refering to (IRA / ETA i guess)?
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ME@SF (ex-name: Researcher 184771) Posted Oct 19, 2001
Just some info on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict:
At the very time of the creation of Israel in 1948. Palestine's indigenous population were 90% muslim/christian and 10% Jewish-half of which were current illegal "immigrants" from Europe-
No referendum or election was held amongst the population to see what they wanted. It doesn't take a genius therefore, to assume that they were not "dancing in the streets with joy" at a directive from outsiders who they didn't know or elect, to give up the majority of the heart of their land to the 5+5 % minority.
Further, the UN at the time of the vote included no Arab or Muslim state or people, and hardly any third world nation, how convenient!!
Of course when the UN tried to properly garner the facts and mediate the matter beforehand by dispatching a high level representative tot he region (Count Folke Bernadotte), he was promptly assassinated by Jewish terrorists. In fact, Count Folke was the first ever UN mediator, and the first UN envoy to be killed in the cause of peace. His assassination characterized the subsequent respect for the UN that Israel has had ever since!
the British too tried to do something about the situation, but they were also repeatedly attacked by Jewish terrorists (including the Stern Gang, and the Haganah), the best example being the massacre of British soldiers at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.
Similarly and simultaneously, the Muslim and Christian inhabitants of Palestine were also being "engaged in debate and discussion- Zionist Style_" They were being at best either ethnically cleansed from their homeland in their villages and orchards flattened by bulldozers to ensure erasure of their existence or at worst, simply massacred. The UN lists some 252 Palestinian towns and villages that were obliterated by these terrorists in 1948 alone.
Surprisingly, these Zionist terrorists were later rewarded " for the strength of their argument" with a country! Further, the most prominent and well qualified amongst them (ones with most blood on their hands) later on became Prime Ministers!! (including Yitzhak Shamir and Menachim Begin)
These Zionists introduced the phenomena of terrorism to the Middle East in order to achieve their aims. They terrorized the UN, the British, and most importantly, they terrorized the indigenous inhabitants of the country- Yet they achieved their aims!!
Until today, Israel continues to receive unlimited and perpetual immunity, impunity, funding and protection by the US government (Israel's Best friend as put the White House spokesman recently when President Bush was criticized by the current prime minister of Israel)
Now over 50yrs later. the more the situation changes the more it stays the same. certain countries continue to ensure that nothing will actually be done about improving the situation, except for more talk, more committees, and more useless agreements, and more stalling on fair and just solutions......
PS: to my American friends, this is in NO WAY a justification for the horrible events that took place last month. Just wanted to shed light on that important conflict, which if a just and fair solution is reached, then a war on terrorism could be more effective
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Martin Harper Posted Oct 19, 2001
thanks to Shazz: 'twas "OB1 (retired)", not "OBL (deceased)" - my bad...
IRA? UFF? KKK? FBI? CIA? MI5? MI6? KGB? BNP? USA? Mr. T? Ali G?
-MyRedDice : OBLivious
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Martin Harper Posted Oct 19, 2001
I'm sure Ira the Hypothetical Woman will be chuffed to bits to know that she is forbidden to go by her real name on h2g2...
The name was expressing the sentiment that Mr. Bin Laden will be gone soon, presumably because of the USA attack. That's a sentiment that many people in this thread have expressed, at some length. God save us from someone saying the same thing in their username...
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I'm not really here Posted Oct 19, 2001
I'm sure anyone whose name really was the same would be allowed to keep it. Apparently Osama is as common as John.
But you didn't read his user space, I did. You're judging your argument of the Editors decision on half the facts.
War- be sensitive to others
The H2G2 Editors Posted Oct 19, 2001
It might be worth reading the heading here, Lucinda. It says: "War - be sensitive to others"
You've undoubtedly seen our earlier Posting in which we say: "During the current international situation it's very important that we're all aware of the sensitivities of others."
For the duration of the Afghan crisis we will not allow people to use references to key politican figures in their Nicknames. This is a totally reasonable reaction to current events, and includes political names from *all* sides.
The current situation is not a joke. We do not take it lightly, and we'd therefore ask that you do the same and that you respect the Editors' decision in this matter. It is not open to debate, and making comments about people called 'Ira' in this context is in poor taste.
The Editors
War- be sensitive to others
Witty Ditty Posted Oct 19, 2001
Hiya!
Invariably, it is not as simple as someone using that acronym has gotten moderated - I read the personal space too, and it was, to say the least, inflammatory, as were his posts, including the moderated one.
The indivdual in question wished to try to correct what he saw as massive anti-American sentiment, because when he first saw this site, he was angered at what he was reading.
Unfortunately, instead of presenting a balanced and well-thought out argument to the community, he sought to mock and insult anyone who disagreed with him. For instance, posting that those who critisised the action currently being taken were not truly American, in the first posting he made to this forum. This had the result of not only insulting those he was targetting, but also our fellow American researchers.
Referring to those he was riling against in the moderated post, as well as, in his own words, 'suckas' was, as we can see now, not a sucessful tactic.
So he was not moderated simply because of the acronym he used, but for his behaviour to fellow peers and mis-representation of his country.
Whether I agree with the action taken is irrelevant as the Editors have made their decision, but what I do want to make clear is that having seen the whole incident from start to its current state, is that it is not as simple as the acronym he used in his nickname.
But the post I did make after the now, moderated one, still, in a strange way, makes sence...
Stay ,
WD
English is not British
Listener Posted Oct 19, 2001
Flinch
I think that is about the only thing I have heard you say that I agreed with totally!! Actually I am surprised?
English is not British
Beachballs and Lollipops: Formerly known as *** : Gone in 60 Seconds Posted Oct 19, 2001
hello all...I'm back. I just returned from my sabbatical, where I sought inner peace with my h2g2 friends. I hope this name is ok. I sincerely apoligize for offending anyone. Yesterday was actually not my first day...I've been following posts without registering for about a month now. I didn't mean to make your forum less than enjoyable. I was half kidding in all of my postings, trying to mask anger with humor. I appreciate individual's opinions, but sometimes people in here are rather pushy.
Anyway, I'm back, and I'm looking forward to having some great conversatons on here.
PS...don't let the Man hold you down.
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- 741: Goti (Fish) ACE (SAS) Prof. JOIN H2G2 SAS A592102 (Oct 19, 2001)
- 742: I'm not really here (Oct 19, 2001)
- 743: The H2G2 Editors (Oct 19, 2001)
- 744: Witty Ditty (Oct 19, 2001)
- 745: The H2G2 Editors (Oct 19, 2001)
- 746: Martin Harper (Oct 19, 2001)
- 747: I'm not really here (Oct 19, 2001)
- 748: Mark Moxon (Oct 19, 2001)
- 749: the autist formerly known as flinch (Oct 19, 2001)
- 750: the autist formerly known as flinch (Oct 19, 2001)
- 751: ME@SF (ex-name: Researcher 184771) (Oct 19, 2001)
- 752: Martin Harper (Oct 19, 2001)
- 753: Mark Moxon (Oct 19, 2001)
- 754: Martin Harper (Oct 19, 2001)
- 755: I'm not really here (Oct 19, 2001)
- 756: The H2G2 Editors (Oct 19, 2001)
- 757: Howard (Oct 19, 2001)
- 758: Witty Ditty (Oct 19, 2001)
- 759: Listener (Oct 19, 2001)
- 760: Beachballs and Lollipops: Formerly known as *** : Gone in 60 Seconds (Oct 19, 2001)
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