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[reply to #101]

Insomniac Vampire,

> Awol is more than capable of speaking for himself, and his life time ban of his account im sure he can deal with though saying that i am pretty sure it states in the rules when an account is barred it remains barred, i dont think it says anywhere that the account holder is barred for life?

From the page "Discussions Relating to the Lifetime Ban of Researcher AWOL", A1285210: "Researcher AWOL has been banned from h2g2 for life".

For "Researcher AWOL", read AWOL's real life name. This, for confidentiality reasons, would not be posted on site, so the next best thing - the nickname chosen for his first account - was used.

A point that I have made again and again is that, just because the site's software allows something to happen - here the creation of new acconts by a banned researcher - does *not* mean that it is allowed by the rules of the site.

Thus, because AWOL can create new accounts does *not* mean that he is *allowed* to create new accounts.

Rho

just updateing

intern,

i went back into the thread your referring to and your right, you did infact start that thread, yet another of your reports on the suspected whereabouts of the infamous Awol however, i didnt join the thread until the 2nd page so i overlooked that but whats your point? from what ive just seen, you'd finished your conversation, i was only talking to Beautbabe and Mort, it looked pretty much like only 3 of us in that thread at that point

I was still in the thread and it did have my name above your post to me

I had said nothing to you just a smiley and im childish and this that and the other

Can you just explain to me what it is you have against me

tell you what leave it on my page
it wont get yikest ill leave a message saying i dont want it to be
becouse as far as i am aware i have only doing what we have to as aces

Rho,

as far as im concerned that is an issue between h2g2 and Awol, if they say 'he' as in Awol is barred as oppposed to the account of Awol then perhaps they should make it so in their software because right now 'saying' 'he' is barred obviously doesnt mean s.f.a does it..maybe your right, maybe i am, fact is i really dont care..im on about other issues here but 'some' aces seem to be obsessed with Awol! perhaps you should start another thread? the Awol fan club?! look im not being funny with you Rho but i started this thread to discuss the aces but seems to me everyone/'some' aces only want to talk about Awol, doesnt he have a whole page dedicated to himself? maybe your comments would be more appropriate there?

updateing the page

helloooooooooooooooo
awol awol awol
damn u ppl r obsessed lol
i think u secretly like him but cant say so cos they gang up on u
anyway...issue here....aces......

I shall come back to this thread later, i think. However it is 6am and i need to get to bed and i never was a morning person.

I think concentrating on the original points made, and any other relevant ones that have been raised in the thread would be adviseable, rather than any 'one on one' issues.

Although i do think some may have been answered by some feedback already

Mort

>i fail to see what the relevance to 'deep throat' is in this thread,<

Insomniac Vampire...

"deep throat" was giving information to Mulder in the X-Files TV series...

Someone has given you some information on what is being said in the ACEs forum...

That was the relevance... I could have said Insomniac Vampire's own informant, spy or even worse mole, but i chose "deep throat" because i like the X-Files.

Hence the "no offense intended" statement...


>in other words you tagged me with the title and not anyone else like Mulder for instance, regardless of what you say you meant i dont want to be tagged with words like that, its demeaning to my character<

I didn't call _you_ "deep throat", but by calling your informant "deep throat", that would make you the equivalent of Mulder or Scully... which is not a bad thing in my ...


A misunderstanding obviously, but to be safe i won't use this reference anymore in this thread...?!



loup

>damn u ppl r obsessed lol
i think u secretly like him but cant say so cos they gang up on u
anyway...issue here....aces......<

Localised Girl...

Actually the issue is "the complaint of a Researcher about _some_ ACEs"... which brought other points to the discussion like the Code of Conduct, why does the Researcher [Insomniac Vampire] thinks some ACEs have crossed the line, how other Researchers perceive the ACEs image... etc.. etc...

The AWOL situation is linked to one of the reasons why [according to her] some ACEs are watching Insomniac Vampire's space and threads...

Hence the need to clarify certain points made concerning parts of the "AWOL saga"...

Oh and to put the record straight, admitting to like AWOL doesn't break any written or unwritten rules... I have nothing against the Researcher AWOL as a person... And, though i stated earlier that he keeps breaking the rules by opening new accounts that doesn't mean that i hate the guy... Obviously, not having had any problems with/from him does help, but yep i do like AWOL...

And now i hope that this rumour about not being allowed to say anything good about [or to like] AWOL etc will stop once and for all...



loup.dargent

>I think concentrating on the original points made, and any other relevant ones that have been raised in the thread would be adviseable, rather than any 'one on one' issues.<

Mort...

Yep... but at the same time it helps understanding why Insomniac Vampire thinks that some ACEs are crossing the line when it comes to her...

The original points made were far too vague in post #1... now we have at least some threads to look into...

There are still a lot of misconceptions to correct in this thread IMHO... for example Insomniac Vampire talks about some ACEs overlooking their own postings when yikesing... perhaps it would be useful to precise that ACEs are not the only ones able to yikes and that it is the responsability of every Researcher on this site to yikes postings which they find offensive/abusive/breaking the <./>HouseRules</.> [and digibox users have now this facility even so it's "by proxy"]...

Also, postings are not _automatically_ modded/removed because they have been yikesed... it is still at the end of the day the Mods' decision [or the Italics'one if it's not an easy one to make] to remove or not postings seen offensive by _us_...

So, while postings seen as offensive by some of us might still be seen, it doesn't mean that they haven't been yikesed...

Etc.. etc.. etc...

So yep, you are right in what you said [] but at the same time there is a chance here to see both sides of the story...
Insomniac Vampire feels [rightly or not] that _some_ ACEs have it for her.. having explanations of the events which might have make her feel that way by the ACEs involved [accidently or not] in them might help us to see if it is only a feeling or a fact...

I'm not having a go BTW... it's just that we have now more informations than when this thread started and, as i said earlier, a lot of misconceptions have been brought to light thanks to following postings...

I can see your point though regarding the 'one on one' issues... they could unfortunately easily turn into slagging matches which would definitely not help the debate...

Mmmmmm.... have i sabotaged my own argument in here?!...

Talk soon...

loup.dargent

>i wondered what you meant by examples as i did provide them and yeah i agree, i want to keep this a serious thread so i have chosen my words carefully and i havent named names..i realise if i did this those that were rubbishing my comments in previous posts would jump back on the bandwagon shouting 'i told you so', 'shes just a troublemaker' and i will not give them the satisfaction of belitting me until they have something intelligent to add to this thread..<

Insomniac Vampire...

Good move, but at the same time it would be advisable not to post anything on other threads which could be seen as "provocative" [as in: could provock an angry response from people who might see themselves badmouthed in the comments] like this one http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/plain/FFM126865?thread=326747&skip=20&show=20#p4202182 [this is not an invitation to yikes this post by the way] especially, as you've mentioned earlier, you believe that some people are watching your space and convos [i was only lurking by the way honest..]...

[I ask people _not_ to go to this thread and respond to the post... we don't need more arguments on the site at the moment...]

Another point, and while i realise that you might have said that jokingly, comments like these http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/plain/FFM126865?thread=284527&skip=140&show=20#p4199184 do not help your case either as it brings back the question of why going after some ACEs and their activities on the site if it is what you think of the whole site anyway [even so you might have not meant it that way]...

The thing is, in situations like that, people who read this thread [even so they don't post] will want to know who is this Researcher who is taking to task some ACEs and will have a look at your space and convos anyway [or some Researchers might accidentally stumble on some of your convos when looking at the <./>info</.> page and then read this thread]...

So what you say on other threads _might_ also influence the way people see your complaint...



loup.dargent

ok well altho u may say awol is not in this topic i feel it was started by that fact as vampire feels u r watchin her to trace him on different names he may or may not be using....
altho denial of this is acceptable but no one knows whos readin threads n i think vampire just feels shes been outcast by sum aces to be ...basically stalked...n watched in order for u to keep an eye on her......
she has valid points which she is makin n it is clear she feels very strongl;y on this.....
by pastin previous topics is a good way to refresh ppl's memory on what has been said but vampire cannot do this as u are aware....
at the end of the day is this matter goin to be solved or r ppl goin to make excuses because they cant agree or admit to what the accusations r....
i know the basic jist of what is goin on but if aces have a job to do and is/has...(allegedly of course...not makin an accusation myself) takin their actions out of their code of conduct...then it shouldnt be fobbed off by the fact u r all friends or feel sum1 has got it wrong.....
as in this topic..vamp is clearly lettin her point across but as yet no one seems to be admittin a "possible" cause of action on the allegations....its like shes wrong ur right end of......
of course none of us know each other (well i dont) so am not biased or agaisnt any1..lets just remember to not take the main point out as it only discourages the facts.....

Hi Localised Girl...

I paste previous topics because i'm basically lazy and don't fancy typing "you said etc.. etc... etc..." that's why... I unfortunately know how it is for Insomniac Vampire as i have been a digibox user for a long time...
If she wants some bits to be pasted or/and links to be provided on this threads, i'm sure one of us will do it for her as long as we get the posts number and as much details as possible... no problem... not agreeing about things doesn't mean not helping on some issues as i said before... and i believe i'm not the only one with this principle..

>ok well altho u may say awol is not in this topic i feel it was started by that fact as vampire feels u r watchin her to trace him on different names he may or may not be using....
altho denial of this is acceptable but no one knows whos readin threads n i think vampire just feels shes been outcast by sum aces to be ...basically stalked...n watched in order for u to keep an eye on her......<

The AWOL case... It is linked in some aspects of this case as i said, so yep it is in a way part of the topic and i did say that it was one of the points having been brought if i remember well...

The fact that Insomniac Vampire's space and convos might have been watched to catch AWOL under a different account has never been denied either... I even mentioned in a previous post that it would have been disappointing if no-one had thought of doing that [and i explained why]...

>shes been outcast by sum aces to be ...basically stalked...n watched in order for u to keep an eye on her......<

If it is because of the abovementioned case... i can see the point and understand why she feels that way...

If it is for another reason, then it is why we need the ACEs involved explanations...

>she has valid points which she is makin n it is clear she feels very strongly on this.....<

Agreed... but we all perceive the same situations differently and it is important that both sides of the story be looked into/made available... that's why it was important that she provides some example... The first post was too vague and the reasons behind it could have been misunderstood...

>at the end of the day is this matter goin to be solved or r ppl goin to make excuses because they cant agree or admit to what the accusations r....<

Good question... that will have to be up to the concerned parties unfortunately... Hopefully something positive will come out of all that...

I, personally, would like to see an agreement between Insomniac Vampire and the ACEs she feels are stalking her so that they keep out of threads she uses as much as humanely possible [with some concessions obviously like when they have posted already on a thread etc..]... That _might_ help... But, it's up to _both_ parties on this one...

>i know the basic jist of what is goin on but if aces have a job to do and is/has...(allegedly of course...not makin an accusation myself) takin their actions out of their code of conduct...then it shouldnt be fobbed off by the fact u r all friends or feel sum1 has got it wrong.....<

The friendship bit... I haven't talked to the accused ACEs for ages [exept on this thread] either on here [easily checkable] or offline [not so checkable unfortunately] as far as i remember... so my points are not influenced by what i'm being told somewhere else...

That's also why i keep giving the advice repeated in the next reply...

>as in this topic..vamp is clearly lettin her point across but as yet no one seems to be admittin a "possible" cause of action on the allegations....its like shes wrong ur right end of......<

That will have to be the Editors decision at the end of the day... this is why she needs to pass the details to them... even so she feels that they might have made their mind up already, i can say [based on some intensive lurking] that if they find something wrong and in breach of the code of conduct, they will definitely deal with it...

>of course none of us know each other (well i dont) so am not biased or agaisnt any1..lets just remember to not take the main point out as it only discourages the facts....<

Agreed... though at times there are other elements/events which might influence the way we see the facts...
I was going to tackle the tea shop example earlier on but the site went down [] so it will have to be another time... it is a perfect example though of facts being perceived in a very different light by various people [including myself i'm afraid]... unfortunately it's time for me to shut up so i won't be able to come back on that straight away...

Anyway, your comments are definitely welcome... hopefully the whole affair will be resolved at the satisfaction of _everyone_ soon...

Talk soon everyone...

loup

Some very good points

But i must draw upon the question about not been alowed to enter vamps h/page.....
If we start geting ultomatom`s about what thread`s/home pages we can/cant go in on what is a open
site every one will be stuck on there own page not been able to go into threads becouse sertain people are in the thread or sertain home pages becouse they say dont want aces on there
This will lead to flair ups all over the place
person x home page (doesn`t want aces or sertain people on there
person y goes into the thread to say hello
parson x takes exception to the fact person y has gone in
Person x gets upset by this breaks the house rules
Person y wants this post yikesing
becouse they feel agreeved by the post
This means that a ace has to go into x post and yikes it again it
goes back to harrasment by a ace
and stalking x so the loup goes back around again and we are back
to where we have started from here now this thread

If there is another alternative to this it should be brought to the for front becouse the keeping
out a thread/personal space would
alianate researchers even more and just couse more problems

Again im interested to have a look at the list of aces and reasons and see if it cant be sorted out that way and can be fully settled between the aces/vamp/ed`s

surely tho...ur point sayin about ppl enterin threads.....well if sum1 is havin a discussion/conversation etc.....n sum1 comes in n makes comments or isnt wanted....y isnt there a feature to block ppl from replyin in future...that would save arguments in itself i guess.....
this is just sumthing i noticed as it appears arguments start off on these terms....if a row is developin it seems the only way to stop it is to yikes post but isnt that in an opinion of an ace ??
and sum ppl are always moanin how their post has been yikesed in a way to prove their point......
hey just a thought...not a dig

anyone can yikes a post if they feel it is offensive not just Aces

Star Fleet

Mort,

Re; post 128

"i think concentrating on the original points made, and any other relevant ones that have been raised in the thread would be advisable, rather than any 'one on one' issues"

this is why i ignored post 124!

yer but u shouldnt have to yikes a post....u should be able to barr ppl from interupting...
(course im prob no.1 on ur lists heh heh) but u know what i mean

as you know h2g2 is a open site and as such people can join in other peoples conversations which of course can lead to problems its just the nature of the beast



have contacted the editors about your "issue" ??

Star Fleet