h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Kow,
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here here


so there is intelligent life forms out there

i couldnt of said it better myself, why cant this be discussed onsite indeed?????

with regard to your last comment, i too would like to be clear on what else aces do

intern,

we spoke on LD, its of no concern to me whether you wish to acknowledge that or not..i also remember you leaving the site early AND why but your right its old news, i only brought it up because you stated earlier you had no idea who i was

Spelugx,

do you think then that perhaps the 'italics' should look into this matter again, observe more closely?

::Bookmark::

Occasionally in the past the ACEs have been asked to look out for certain topics and use the complaints button - this might have led to assumptions that they were some sort of 'police force'. I know that the staff didn't really like doing this, and they have tried to stop doing it. I don't remember ever being asked to look out for certain Researchers though. Could be wrong, my memory is a bit rubbish.

so much for this being a friendly site

Mina,

are you sure ALL the aces dont enjoy that little power trip? i beg to differ, i think some of them love it!
backing up a bit, i never said h2g2 told aces to look out for certain users, (perhaps they did but i couldnt comment on that as i dont know), the aces have taken it upon themselves and have been discussing it in the aces forum, that is fact whether you've read it in there yourself or not

Mina,

are you sure ALL the aces dont enjoy that little power trip? i beg to differ, i think some of them love it!
backing up a bit, i never said h2g2 told aces to look out for certain users, (perhaps they did but i couldnt comment on that as i dont know), the aces have taken it upon themselves and have been discussing it in the aces forum, that is fact whether you've read it in there yourself or not

Mina,

meant to say 'some' of the aces!

On second thoughts, I'd like to post again. I knew I couldn't stay away from this debate.

It tends to be other ACEs, not Italics, who post with concerns about Researchers. I've done it in the past. I would like to stress that this is not to do with people being naughty - there's a procedure for that and it doesn't involve being victimised by volunteers. It's when ACEs are genuinely concerned for the happiness and wellbeing of Researchers. The ACEs aren't a police force - more an organised group of Researchers who make it their business to look out for everyone else and try to ensure that support is offered when required.

Whoami?

Hi everyone...

Sorry for the delay in adding more of my ...

Might have to be in instalments today though as i'm supposed to do something else right now [sleeping being one of them..]

I'm going to reply to comments in random order as well... I apologise in advance...


Insomniac Vampire...

Yep... i meant examples which can be checked by looking at threads/convos on the site... The "no-names thing" was to avoid the risk of the thread starting a potential flame war...

Anyway thanks for providing some... At least we have something to base our discussion on...

Before i continue, i would like to say that i might have sounded harsh towards you in my first post [and i might sound like that again regarding some points i will make later on] and i sure don't agree with the way you see/interpret certain things on h2g2 but that doesn't mean that i won't help you on some issues if needed...


here we go:

>are you sure SOME aces dont enjoy that little power trip? i beg to differ, i think some of them love it!<

How could they do that?!... ACEs [like any volunteers on Hootoo and/or in Real Life] do not have powers... They have responsabilities and duties but _no_ powers whatsoever...

They might be proud to belong to a useful Volunteer Group though and in my that's perfectly natural... You might want to elaborate on that point and help us [me anyway] understand what you mean by that..


>the aces have taken it upon themselves and have been discussing it in the aces forum<

And?!... The ACEs talk about events/situations/issues regarding the site in the ACEs forum... The AWOL's case obviously couldn't be ignored... especially since, like the Scarlet Pimpernel, he has been seen here and here and there [breaking the <./>HouseRules</.> again and again in the process by opening new accounts though he has been banned (the last bit is _not_ a judgement, just a fact)]...

So some ACEs might have taken upon them to spot him and help the Editors stopping his activities... And?!... By, opening new accounts even so he has been banned, AWOL is sending [willingly or not] the message that it's ok to break the rules and that even if we get banned we can carry-on at will breaking them again and again... Unfortunately, that also means that trolls could do the same if they found out about it.... Then, that would definitely not be a friendly site anymore...


So, some ACEs thought of checking your space and convos in case AWOL shows up there?!... Why not?!... AWOL has showed up a lot on them so, obviously it's not a bad place to start with... I would have been rather disappointed if no-one had thought of it... And, somehow, i feel that AWOL himself would have felt the same as he seems to enjoy being found...

I won't go further on what might have been said in the ACEs forum just now but will come back on some of the other points you've made later on...

now for the helpful bit [i hope]:

Mort has offered to yikes posts that you find offensive/abusive on your behalf... Certainly a good thing and as any researcher on here, you should be able to get offensive/abusive postings yikesed...

But...

[Yep, it had to be a "but" in my comments... though this time it's to make your life easier...]

We might find ourselves in a similar situation than many having happened before:

1)Researcher X asks an ACE to yikes Researcher Y's posting as X finds it offensive/abusive...

2)The ACE yikes the offensive post...

3a)The post get modded and Y finds out that X is the one who asked to have it removed and Y retaliates ==> potential flame war...

3b)The post is not found offensive by the Mods and is put back... Y still finds out about it and goes to X's space to bragg and/or tease X even more ==> potential flame war...

That's why we have the yikesing pages [ A1108252 "h2g2 Complaints" and
A1108018 "H2G2/LDers Yikesing Page"] so that digibox users can get posts yikesed without having to suffer the consequences of asking in public [actually, this link _should_ be plugged by the ACEs when they're ACEing a digibox user...]...

Of course, you are more than welcome to have Mort doing it for you [waves at Mort] but i would advise that you make your request through email and not on the site for the reasons stated above...

I'm sure you would deal with anyone coming to your space to abuse you but, somehow, i have the feeling that you might say things which might get your reply modded...

Of course feel free to ignore my advice, but i have read some of your other convos while noseing err i mean lurking and i know that you can have some great conversations so why taking the risk of having lots of threads full of arguments instead when there are ways of avoiding that?!...

I dunno... I hope i don't sound too patronising... I really mean to try to help there...

Anyway, talk soon...

loup.dargent

*waves*

Hi Loup,

your points about the yikesing group are great ones and it did enter my head for a nannosecond and then left it again so i forgot to mention it when i posted

So thanks for mentioning that!

Talking about the <./>ACE</.>s' Code of conduct...

This one is for the Italics...

The reason given for the non-disclosure of confidential informations is:

"The main reason we need to keep a lid on confidential information is to prevent disappointment in the Community. If we show you a cool new feature and the rest of the site finds out about it, then if we decide to drop that feature (for whatever reason) then we will doubtless annoy considerable numbers of Researchers. It's just common sense, really."

which is very similar to the BBCiTesters's one...

There might be a need to update it somehow...


Everyone...

Interestingly enough the leaking of confidential information issue is actually irrelevant as long as it's not something that the Editors have asked the ACEs to keep a lid on as mentioned in the Code:


"We will be explicit about things you should keep to yourself and will let you know if and when you may talk about those things on site - we will communicate this information via the mailing list. Anyone who leaks confidential information will obviously be asked to leave the scheme."

So in a way an ACE could talk about what has been discussed in the ACE forum as long as it's not confidential [as in 'asked to keep quiet about by the Italics'] without breaking any rule?!...

Rather worrying.... [though that might re-assure Insomniac Vampire's own "deap throat"...]

Yep.. definitely some updating needed there...

loup.dargent

Well, all mails from BBC staff in any of the volunteer forums or otherwise carries a BBC disclaimer (if that's the word I'm thinking of) stating that the contents of the mail are confidential

That is the word you were thinking of, yes.

Whoami?

mark

Hi Mort...

missed your post... i was looking at the Code while composing my reply...

Yep, i noticed in the past that a lot of problems arised from the fact that digibox users had to ask publicly for some posts to be yikesed...
Somehow the yikesed ones did not always take it very kindly...

Hi Titania...

Good point...


Hi everyone else...

loup.dargent

Whoami?,

nothing like a good debate to get people involved in a conversation lol

i have taken on board what you have said and im not disagreeing with your comments, however, i have maintained all through this thread i am only talking about 'some' of the aces

all i am saying is, (and i dont know you nor have i seen anything you have posted other than here), though your intentions may be good, i question the intentions of others, with good reason i feel otherwise what would be the point of this thread?

im now going to unsubcribe as i feel no more can be said on this matter that hasnt already been said

Star Fleet