h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

until just recently i was a homophobe. i've got to thinking,do we as heterosexuals go after any woman? i guess it is a sort of self centered vanity. we tell ourselves that we would be irristable to even homosexuals. i am guilty of hearing that someone is gay and sudenly clearing the area around the person. some of you may have read my article homosexuality& christianity. i realize that it is almost nothing but homophobic remarks. now don't get me wrong, i dont agree with the practice of homosexuality. but i try not to harm them with violence. i realize the ridicule i put them through in the past won't help them to "go straight", it may only lead to self hatred and sometimes even suicide.i beleive as a christian i should try to convert them to heterosexuals, sort of bring the lost lamp back to the flock.my coments before about homosexuals all going to hell is not in any way bibicaly true. i as a baptist beleive in once saved always saved. this means that if you accept jesus christ as your savior you will go to heven reguardless of your actions. but i do beleive tha th lord will hold you accountable for your sins. this means that you will have to confess your sins in the eyes of god himself no matter who you are. i also believe that all sins are equally wrong weather you kill someone or steal a peanut at Homeland. i also beleive that the sins that you asked to be forgiven of will be stricken from the list of the sins your held accountable for, and if you don't think it's wrong then you won't ask to be for given of it right,i don't know the reprocussions for the sins you are held acountable for but i'm sure it taqkes away from the bliss of heaven. well it apears that i have turned a article about homophobia into the article i should have writen about homosexuality and christianity in the first place


please forgive the spelling,i refuse to use spell check as a protest but thats another article.

...and your question is?

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This has been kicked out of Peer Review, posted here, and is a journal entry. If this keeps up, it's in danger of becoming spam.

Hey he's only trying (and I'm speaking as someone who's was deeply offended by the orginal article, being an "other than heterosexual" myself).

My take on the situation goes something like this, and bear with me because it's an annology which I'm trying to make clear.

Consider this.

Some Jews think it's okay to eat pork some don't. I expect that there are a number of debates in the issues in Jewish circles. I even expect that an Orthodox Jew may try and convince a non Orthodox jew who does eat pork to give it up.

However if he tried to convince a lapsed psuedo hindu, like myself that I should give up pork, I would rightly tell him that as I was not Jewish it was no concern of his, (as a matter of fact I don't eat meat -but that's not a concern of his either)

So if you replace the religion and the issue, with Christian, and "being gay"...

You see your argument against homosexuality is based on your religion, you believe that it's wrong to be Christian and a practising homoseuxal. I know many Christian's who believe the opposite. I would understand if you wanted to attack them. (though on H2G2, you should do so in an intellgent and mature manner- quoting the relevent passages in the bible, and explianing why their arguements are wrong in your opinion).

However I'm not Christian, I have considered in and I don't want to be converted I therefore find it offensive if you were to attack me.

I see from your personal space that you are American, I believe American was partly founded by people who wished to have religous freedom. Well part of religous freedom is not attacking others who do not wish to practice the same religon you do.

My relgion, does not consider homosexuality a sin, however we consider eating meat a sin. To put it bluntly I don't give a that your religion (or the form of Christianity that you believe in) doesn't allow being Gay. I don't expect you to give two 's that my relgion doesn't allow you to eat meat.

Well, wouldn't the guide benefit from different opinions and viewpoints?

Though I do wonder why he refers to being homophobe in past tense.

"i realize the ridicule i put them through in the past won't help them to "go straight", it may only lead to self hatred and sometimes even suicide.i beleive as a christian i should try to convert them to heterosexuals, sort of bring the lost lamp back to the flock."

You're a tit mate.

As a gay man I am always concerned at the religious trying to proselytize, when at the same time they accuse & condemn gay men of doing the same. The stench of hypochrisy is overwhelming.

I am also concerned at the hate/fear fueled vitriol that is poured upon gay men and women from people who profess to believe in christian tolerance, love of all men/women etc.

As an atheist, old style socialist and active trade unionist I have spent my adult life fighting against injustice and protecting the weak from unfair treatment etc by the strong; this has included protecting the rights of people to worship their God in accordance with their religions teachings.

the least you can do is afford me the same tolerance and respect - If you do not like what I am (there was no choice) that is fine but argue with me in a reasoned, polite and rational fashion please.

As a gay man I am always concerned at the religious trying to proselytize, when at the same time they accuse & condemn gay men of doing the same. The stench of hypochrisy is overwhelming.

I am also concerned at the hate/fear fueled vitriol that is poured upon gay men and women from people who profess to believe in christian tolerance, love of all men/women etc.

As an atheist, old style socialist and active trade unionist I have spent my adult life fighting against injustice and protecting the weak from unfair treatment etc by the strong; this has included protecting the rights of people to worship their God in accordance with their religions teachings.

the least you can do is afford me the same tolerance and respect - If you do not like what I am (there was no choice) that is fine but argue with me in a reasoned, polite and rational fashion please.

>You're a tit mate.

What does that mean? Is that a personal attack?

Here we have a young guy who's exploring ideas. He's discussing views on homophobia and homosexuality. He's opne to talk about these issues. I think it's kind of cool to be able to talk to someone like this. If we all felt the same way about things, this place would be dull.

Kelli aggrees with Two Bit shocker!

I think there is something of an apology in the original statement, the poster was trying to say that he realises that it is wrong to riduclue and condemn people for being gay. However, he still has very strong views on the subject and is trying to find a way to express them.
*waits to see if he posts again*
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Calamity agrees with no one shocker!
What are you trying to tell us here?

'i try not to harm them with violence'-always a good start for a practicing Christian. How about following the old one from Yoda-there is no try, only do or do not?

'i realize the ridicule i put them through in the past won't help them to "go straight", it may only lead to self hatred and sometimes even suicide.i beleive as a christian i should try to convert them to heterosexuals, sort of bring the lost lamp back to the flock.' What in the name of Bastet makes you think they want to be straight? What gives you the right to say who's right and who's wrong on the strength of a book written 2000 years ago for a different culture?

'i as a baptist beleive in once saved always saved. this means that if you accept jesus christ as your savior you will go to heven reguardless of your actions.' Hmm, gonna look a little foolish when you get to heaven and find the Mormons had it right, aren't you?

'i also believe that all sins are equally wrong weather you kill someone or steal a peanut at Homeland' Big of you, and I'm glad to see that the Christian church is maintaining it's sense of proportion on these things.

'i don't know the reprocussions for the sins you are held acountable for but i'm sure it taqkes away from the bliss of heaven' Thankfully, I booked my season ticket to the other place a long time ago, and thus will be spared prigs and like (narrow) minded buffoons in this allegedly blissful, but sanctimonious Heaven.

'please forgive the spelling,i refuse to use spell check as a protest but thats another article.' Bill Gates not going to Heaven either then?

2Bit 'Is that a personal attack?' To quote one of the greatest lines in cinema history-'I don't know exactly what that means, Sir, but it sounds pretty negative to me.'

That reminds me of a joke. A guy goies to heaven. As Saint Peter escorts the guy down the ahll, he comes to a door, and tells him to be very quiet as they sneak past the door. When they pass it, the guy asks Saint Peter, "Why do we have to do all that?"

Saint Peter replies, "Those are the Mormons; they think they're the only ones here."

Replace Mormons with the religous group of your choice.

Firstly I am glad that you appear to have gotten over your fear of men, at least that is what the past tense at the beggining of your post implied. With that, a few comments on your post.

>"i beleive as a christian i should try to convert them to heterosexuals, sort of bring the lost lamp back to the flock.my coments before about homosexuals all going to hell is not in any way bibicaly true"

Your proposed evangelism of the Heterosexual ideal assumes the usual bias. As a Christian, a member of a Cult of Judaism, you think that being gay is some diversion from the true path. To go striaght is to you, some act of finding redemtion. There by perverting your God's will. You set yourself us, Pridefully, as being not only more clear on God's purpose than your fellow man, but God himself. If your God creates a man or woman as a Homosexual, and you attempt to change his path for that individual, is that not heresy at the very least?
Oh and seeing as Hell is a mistranslation of the grave, all Homosexuals (all green grocers, Irish, eskimo's and Paperboys)are going to Hell actually. We all are, excepting those still alive at the sound of the Trumpet. Just as the Bible says, we all go into Sheol, the grave, to await judgement and a possible ressurection in Heaven on Earth. There is no mention of sexual orientation effecting mortality.

>"i also believe that all sins are equally wrong weather you kill someone or steal a peanut at Homeland. i also beleive that the sins that you asked to be forgiven of will be stricken from the list of the sins your held accountable for, and if you don't think it's wrong then you won't ask to be for given of it right,i don't know the reprocussions for the sins you are held acountable for but i'm sure it taqkes away from the bliss of heaven"

Does God move with the times, or are the sins presented in the Bible (before God's infallible word was edited and rewritten by the Church fathers) bare true today? The usual arguements about orthodoxy come into this debate here. And forgive assumptions but they are neccesary for the points to be made. I have no idea how you spend your weekends or what form the adherance to your particular cult takes. I will pander to stereotypes only for the sake of conversation.
Will God forgive 'you' for mowing your lawn on the sabbath. If he would, do you actually believe that 'you' will feel shame and guilt for cutting the grass. Will you admit to the sin of wearing Graven images such as a crucifix? Envy? will you be able to remember and feel remorse for every moment of Covetnous? How about all the teachers, parents and Ministers who tell people they will 'go to heaven'. an obvious Lie according to the bible. Then again, assuming the ninth commandment includes lying takes interpretation and we have not yet decided if that is allowed have we. So for now, Lies are not sins.


>"i as a baptist beleive in once saved always saved. this means that if you accept jesus christ as your savior you will go to heven reguardless of your actions"

Right on! So as long as I accept a failed Messiash as some sort of savior I can maim, kill, murder, rape and steal? The fact that as a child of 5 I truly and reverent beleived in Christ means that I am absolved of all sin? I am starting to wonder if i might come to some Baptist parties after all. Sounds like the Catholic get out clause in full effect. How about if, as a guy, I sleep with both men and women, none of whom I am married to, but then seek redemption?


Let him who is without Sin cast the first stone, and let him who is without rhythm sit out this dance!!

http://www.theonion.com/onion3407/churchhomosexual.html

We had some titled Christian authority come to school once. He said, and I more or less quote (ideas if not exact words), anyone who'd accepted Jesus into their life would go to heaven even if they broke all the Commandments and went to town with the sins.
Hmm. As expressed above, I wouldn't want to go there...
What's it matter to you what others' private lives involve? Unless someone paid you a visit and forced you to engage in homosexuality, it really shouldn't cause you any bother. (If it does, redirect your concern into something that would benefit from it.) Please drop all that false concern for our souls etc. since for one thing, as said just about everyone else, I'm not of your religion and want no part in it; I wouldn't want your concern anyway. (Full marks Xanatic- past tense indeed!)
I'm quite happy being straight, but I like to be gay too. How's that sit with you?

Thank Allah for articulate people.

As my remark about Caleb being a tit didn't go down well, I'll elucidate.
I don't want to be drawn back into the flock thanks. I'm happy sitting out here on my own.

I think some one is spending entirely too much time sticking their nose into other people's lives.I don't understand the need to quantify a person by their sexuality.When I meet someone for the first time it is not the first thing to cross my mind because you know I DON'T CARE who you do or do not have sex with.All I care is that you are kind,polite,have similar interests and you treat me with respect.

Incog.

I disagree with everything in the first post so entirely, that all feel able to say here is:

Post 1. Not!

Ben

80% of homophobes are rperessed homosexuals

Oh man, that is so true!



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