h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Cheers for the info. All I need to do now is load them into the altavista translator so i can get round the college blocks.

Dragonlover

Adib- rape trials are not as simplistic as that. (Well, at least not anymore, when we've finally got round to the idea of rape within marriage...) the man cannot just be immediately let off if he *says* she wanted it. That would be as hard to prove as the woman's claims, no? Even if she did, she may have been incapable of informed consent.
and you do get women making it up, for whatever reason.
The judges who have said this- who of course were unalloyed buffoons- were well-castigated by just about everyone else if not their colleagues. ... at least they didn't just bury it as with other gaffes. Bless 'em... best to send them somewhere comfortable (like the old priest's home in Father Ted) where all the women wear sensible aprons.

I ment equal rights. What I said was miss leading I ment at the time the Quran war revealed virtually every other country and faith did not give women rights.

What gave me the impression of women in christianity being opreesed and blamed is that in a book called Marriage, east and west page 80 to 81 it says:

"Let no one suppose, either, that our Christian heritage is free of such slighting judgements. It would be hard to find anywhere a collection of more degrading references to the female sex than the early church farther provide. Lecky said that 'Woman was represented as the door of hell, as the mother of all human ills. She should be ashamed at the very thought that she is a woman. she should live in continual penance on account of the curses she has brought upon the world. She should be espisecially ashamed of her beauty, for it is the most potent instrument of the devil.' One of the most scathing of attacks on woman is that of Tertullian: 'Do you know that you are each a Eve? The sentance of God on this sex of yours lives in this age; the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devils gateway; you are the unsealer of that forbidden tree; you are the first deserters of the divine law; you are she who persuades him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image - man...' Not only did the church affirm the inferior status of woman, it deprived her of legal rights she had previously enjoyed."

So you can see where I get that idea from. Though I am glad to say that the christian religion has improved in these areas over the years. I think the book was written by David and Vera Mace.

In the Quran it says that they are both to blame and in one ayaat it actually puts the blame more on Adam than that of Eve.

If you look closely at Islam when it first formed you will see that it had woman docters and woman scholors etc. Woman where found doing all the jobs that men had previously only done in Arabia.
It is only in recent years where muslims have moved slighty away from the texts of the religion and been influranced by cultural ideals that bad things started to happen.

In one Hadith Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) said:

"It is the generous (in character) who is good to woman, and it is the wicked who insults them,"

He (pbuh) also said:

"Whoeveer supports two daughters till they mature, he and I will come on the day of Judgement like this (and he pointed with his two fingers held together)."

As a Muslim it is out duty to follow in the foot steps and do what the prophat Mohammad said. As he is the best example of how a Muslim should be. If you read the Hadiths (and there are thousands of them) you will see that a Muslim has to live in peace and treat women with respect etc.

Adib

would you say the Ottomans put it into practice well?

Jordan - wow, a marriage proposal, and pregnancy all in three hours!.....I must be getting better at the whole picking men up thing!

Sorry....but you need to sweep me off my feet (and not in the literal sense like you tried to do)....how about Shrillian's adopted child for now? And that way we'll be doing good to the world... (preferably an aethiest from the sounds of things in here)

There are no printing errors in the Quran. When Muhammad (pbuh)revealed the Quran over the years it was written down by many people who he instructed to do that. They afterwords compared what they had wrote with each other and the Prophet (pbuh). Any mistakes he corrected. Then all Qurans where copied from these Qurans and plus more importanly there has always been since it was first revealed thousands of people who know the Quran word to word. That is why some one can burn every copy of the Quran and it can bbe re written with out era. In Arabic in the original Quran you see there was no vowel symbols so some words could be three or four different words and so you can go to some one who knows it of by heart and ask which is right.
Plus after the Quran you can check it is correct yousing the mathmatical code in the Quran.

Oh and No you don't have to b a sholor to under stand Islam what I am referring to though is that a scholor knows every little detail about Islam in all the different groups. I can only say what I know about which is Sunni. I only know a little about the other groups.
That is what I ment by I am not a scholor. I Have not had thirty or forty years memorising every Ayaat and every Hadith and every other thing. I am only twenty years old I can not know every little detail.

Adib

The text you cite is quite correct. However, the christians it refers to are /Catholics/. There weren't really many others at that time - at least, not many that would live for much longer than, oh, a week if they publicly declared their faith. The Catholics were a rather nasty experiment in religious dictatorship. Not nice people, though their opinions have since improved. There's no reason that Eve should take all the blame. They've realised this now. And you have to remember that (a) the monks and other members of the frock were trying to keep a vow of celibacy - and most doctrine was debated by this class of citizens - so any contact with women was dangerous. (and many of them were gay, so possibly they didn't want any dealings with them in case some of that 'women's intuition' came into play...) So they stigmatized them and their most tempting characteristics. Read 'The Name of the Rose' by Umberto Eco (not a great source, but a fun book) and you'll find a section where they expound on the sinful nature of the breasts - or so I seem to recall.

I would suggest that the problems you cite with regards to Islam are the same problems that affected Christianity all this time.

- Jordan

Adoption... Hmm... perhaps we can go to the Amy Pavlowski Adoption Centre (or something)?

I wonder... Adib, can we adopt you? Oh, wait... an atheist... How about... nah, has to have two separate eyebrows...

- Jordan

Hi Toxxin I have just looked at that link you posted.

There are problems with it as I have explained earlier. If she said she had been raped and there was no evidence then there is no evidence of aduletery either so there would be no punishment. Fact is what they where doing there is not Islamic.

Adib

Why should they live in fear. Tell you what I will pay you a all expensive trip around Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia etc and you can ask the women there if they are in fear of being raped or being accused of Adultery. You would be very suprised about the results. Actually for get it you would probabley think they where lieing to you.

Adib

Ok thanks Jordon.

Adib

Adopt me..... Na Don't do that. I'm hoping to get married soon.

Adib

Wow! Our son would be getting married! How proud we could be!

Sound tempting, Shrillian?

I just noticed something that could become a great quote one day: there's only one letter's difference between your and our. Oh, and you're welcome.

Who's the lucky lady?

Hah! Those smileys looked like they were describing a trajectory!

- Jordan

Adib. Are you saying that pregnancy isn't evidence of adultery? That directly contradicts what it says on the site, but it's your word against theirs I guess.

Wouldn't it be great if clergymen from every major religion around the world came together in a gargantuan pro-wrestling tournament - with cool costumes and names, like "The Pastorizer" - and fought for six weeks solidly in a beguilingly complex network of championships to ultimately decide which religion, and who's deity, was the real McCoy and should thenceforth be worshipped by all of humanity for ever and ever? That would be great.

I'd win. None of the others would fit in the weight, age and height restrictions. By sheer co-incidence, of course.

So, people, come and bow to me! Worship the brain! Oh yes, oh yes, for I am the ultimate religion! Let's see you ...

My first decree is that we all go about naked. My second one is that nationalism should be abolished. And finally, that a decent cure for acne be developed /right now/. And not though spammers.

Oh yeah, and spammers should be shot on sight, and on site - preferrably both. And then their collective remains should be sent hurling towards the sun, where they can burn in Hell!!!

- Jordan

FROM http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art07.shtml

In Saudi Arabia and Pakistan

For example, in Saudi Arabia, a women's testimony in court is worth half that of a man's testimony, according to a Human Rights Watch report in 2002.

Under the so-called zina (fornication) law in Pakistan, extramarital sex is punishable by public whipping or even stoning to death.

If a woman is raped, she runs a high risk of being charged with zina, particularly if she becomes pregnant. In order to prove an absence of consent, however, a woman is required to provide four witnesses to the rape, a near impossible task.



Alji the Magus (don't forget to record your sun sign @ A712595 ) Pastor of the Church of Spiritual Humanism.

"Wouldn't it be great ... to ultimately decide which religion ... was the real McCoy ... ?"

The answer is: kindness.

No, it's MEEE!!!

Just kidding. And, as Jesus said, all of the law of the prophets hung on: 1. love god with all our hearts; and 2. love your neighbour as yourself.

- Jordan