h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Hi, Della -

I've been meaning to say 'Hi' to another sf fanatic. Glad to be able to make you laugh now and then.

Twenty years ago I played the dumb tourist and went up on top of the World Trade Center. I feel really, really weird now. While I disagree strongly with the current political yahoos 'running' things here, as well as a lot of the things that America seems to choose as priorities, there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to lash out at thousands of innocents like they did today.

I am saddened for the world, for nowhere is any longer safe.

It is totally unbelievable, total freakout man. I have never been to the US, but NZ is very close culturally and people here are reacting as if it was next door.. I feel stunned too - I got an email from my only friend in America (she's the only one who lives there, not my only American friend). Luckily, she's in Michigan, away from any possible trouble.. Regardless of politics, regardless of whether it's 10 or 10,000 killed, it's still a tragedy and a disaster.

Actually it was closer to 100,000. We have been hearing about it all day at school in NZ.

When the plane hit the tower it was wierd. It went in, seeming quite slow and made a big hole. A few seconds later a huge fireball erupted from the building.

Actually it was closer to 100,000. We have been hearing about it all day at school in NZ.

When the plane hit the tower it was wierd. It went in, seeming quite slow and made a big hole. A few seconds later a huge fireball erupted from the building.

I think you mean 10 000. That's a staggering figure. How many kids are there in an average school?

No, I'm pretty sure he means 100,000. Each building was supposed to have 50,000 working individuals, and over 30,000 tourists - probably more like 160,000 people total. Hopefully there's some survivors.

It's shocking to see the footage of the Palestinians celebrating the destruction. I know that there's a lot of hatred in the world for America, especially from the Iranians for their support of Israel, but why would anybody celebrate death and desolation?

Figues used by Sky/ITN/BBC are 10,000 people in each tower at that time of day.

I hope that's accurate - when I left for work today, the numbers looked really bad.

They still do PS Lentilla now you logged in you might want to check http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/F19585?thread=140656&latest=1

Yup. Been visiting there on and off. It's amazing how tragedy brings the good and the bad out in people.

thankfully its mainly good

I have two friends who work in the Pentagon, where current estimates are as high as 800. My friends and I have sent emails (calling is out, calls back east are almost impossible) and we have had no replies. Hopefully my friends are busy helping the victims and not victims themselves.

Can I respectfully ask that the venom which is sometimes common on this thread please be toned down in future? No matter what your opinion of my country, there is a limit. When all is said and done, you are talking about PEOPLE, not cartoon figures. Thank you.

SC

Well put, SC

This is a terrible tragedy for the entire world.

My condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

Tal

My sympathy and condolences to all people affected by this vicious and unprecedented attack on the U.S heartland. As I watched the events unfold on TV, it was at first surreal(in a terrible way), it took a minute or two to realise the this was not some fiction but real. Australia too has lost people in this tragedy.
What at first made it seem unreal, was the comments made by the reporters about the monetary value etc of the buildings with little or no concern for the 50000 possible victims. Maybe it was too painful for commentators to confront this issue at the time. I sincerely hope that the terrorists are found and dealt with appropriately!
Rocket

There are several forms of aide in the United States. There's AFDC, Section 8 Housing, the Earned Income Tax Credit, Medicaid, etc.

There is some form of a cap on some forms of welfare now. Until President Clinton [thanks for reminding me that he did at least one right thing] and Congress reformed the system we did have generational welfare. We're getting to the point now where those limits are being reached.

Flinch,

I reject your notion of socialism and the rights of individuals. Its ridiculous.

I don't deny that we've done some nasty things in during the Cold War. I don't approve of it. I think we should set the example in our conduct in peace, war, and justice.

Although, I wasn't alive during the Johnson presidency, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of my nation. Talk about a moron.

I wouldn't support a cut of the defense budget to support welfare. I think that welfare weakens us by removing incentive. We have a right to equal protection under law, the right to freedom of the press, the freedom of and from religion, the right to due process. I don't think we should have the right to forcibly deprive other people of their money for entitlements.

Einauni Muznobotti,

In a populated areas, our elementary schools will have between 300 and 900 students in an elementary school (ages 6-12). Our secondary schools (12-18) will generally have between 800-1200+ students.

In less populated areas, the school population varies. It depends on how many people live within a reasonable school bus drive. My wife's graduating class had about 40 students.

>>I reject your notion of socialism and the rights of individuals. Its ridiculous.<<

Sorry, which bit?

The bit where you think that any advantage of government is socialist. I don't see how rights are a socialist invention.

I thought that people might be interested in knowing that my friends who work in the Pentagon are okay, but very, very scared. A lot of their friends and co-workers are not all right. I pray the government (U.S.) will be very sure of culpability before they react. Don't like saber-rattling.

SC

On socialism: it may make things more even across the board for the people who live under that type of system, but it also tends to average out the contributions from the people to that overall society. IMVHO

Basic human rights are something that all almost all nations accept in principle (if not practice (the USA like many other nations is guilty of ignoring human rights on occasions)). Basic human rights should have nothing to do with politics.

____________________________________________________

United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears in the following pages. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."

PREAMBLE
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,
Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Hey, is that UN declaration in the guide? If not it should be...