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swl Posted Sep 25, 2012
A story which illustrates why, for me, organised religion is about nothing more than power and money -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19699581
What would Jesus say?
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Sho - employed again! Posted Sep 25, 2012
The church tax is a way of life here. When I got here way back when, and started working as a German taxpayer (instead of being a member of the dastardly occupiers) I was asked if I wanted to pay church tax. Back then only foreigners could opt out as far as i know.
Which i did, because I'm an atheist.
But it makes sense - you have to belong to a church, as far as I know, to get the benefits (weddings, funerals etc) and - more importantly for so many people - send your children to the church-run kindergarten (which is obligatory from ... oh is it 4 or 3 now, in the Gruesomes' day it was 4). And in some places (especially rural areas) there aren't enough places at non-Church run kindergartens.
When #1 needed a place, for example, she couldn't go to the one in my village because it's run by the catholic church and I'm not a member - she had to go to one in the next but one village and I had to drive her there in the mornings. When #2 was old enough they invited me to send her to the church-run place in our village because numbers had dropped off, but as there was no place for #1 I sent them both to the same one (which was flippin' inconvenient for me but ho hum).
When it became optional for Germans not to pay church tax, many married people de-registered the husband (where he was the main earner - therefore he didn't pay the tax) and kept the non-earning wife and children as a member. That way they didn't pay any tax and could still get the kindergarten place (you have to pay a certain amount for that anyway, regardless of if you are a church member or not, depending on your income)
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U14993989 Posted Sep 25, 2012
From SWL's link
"All Germans who are officially registered as Catholics, Protestants or Jews pay a religious tax of 8-9% on their annual income tax bill. The levy was introduced in the 19th Century in compensation for the nationalisation of religious property."
Well one learns something new every day. So religion in Germany was nationalised in the 19th Century. No wonder it was so easy for them to round up the Jews later on. Normally it is the reverse: secularisation being the process in which religion is cut out of the state.
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Sho - employed again! Posted Sep 25, 2012
it's not like that, and as far as I know it's around 1% (but I'll check it with the folks here). Registration of membership of a church (or similar) is entirely voluntary. If you register, you pay the tax. If you don't register, you don't pay the tax.
And since you have to choose which organisation gets your money, it's opt-in, not opt-out.
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Sho - employed again! Posted Sep 25, 2012
oh it varies from state to state and it's more than I thought.
you can see it here
http://www.nettoeinkommen.de/kirche.htm
(don't be afraid, there is some German but numbers are internationally recogniseable)
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Nosebagbadger {Ace} Posted Sep 25, 2012
I read it and thought that 8/9 % on your taxes seemed a tad steep
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Sho - employed again! Posted Sep 25, 2012
that's why I don't pay it - some are less.
And as far as I know, it's reduced according to the number of children you set off against tax. or something. Actually I don't care about it too much because I don't pay
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anhaga Posted Sep 27, 2012
"Global Muslim Campaign to Send Condolences To Slain Ambassador's Family Goes Viral"
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=kkoe5idab&v=001T4YSeKItteXcb0_cPh0WwNdsf4V_XJnGnMcduzIBDdKLk8ndQBKFpqiatN_XOTQPwtzbVRgQ9VK5gihI_zWxirwB4nH7pXHfx_7weX2zt0oyz-dq1C1Q7g%3D%3D
You don't see this reported on Faux News.
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quotes Posted Sep 29, 2012
In the UK, the shocking news of the death of 7 Brits in an aviation disaster is not the top headline, because a 15 year old girl who we're told was never in any danger has been found, and her teacher companion arrested.
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swl Posted Sep 29, 2012
Compare the reaction of the authorities to the teacher case (manhunts, European Arrest Warrants, mass media coverage etc within days) and how they reacted to the sustained, organised abuse carried out over a period of years in Rochdale -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/27/rochdale-police-sex-abuse-girls
"Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that an NHS team providing sexual health services to vulnerable young people made 83 referrals to Rochdale borough council about girls they thought were either being sexually exploited, or were at risk of exploitation, between 2004 and the end of 2010.
Staff on the crisis intervention team (CIT) also made 44 referrals to Greater Manchester police in the same period."
"The victims, were raped, physically assaulted and forced to have sex with several men in a day, several times a week."
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U14993989 Posted Sep 29, 2012
>>In the UK, the shocking news of the death of 7 Brits in an aviation disaster is not the top headline, because a 15 year old girl who we're told was never in any danger has been found, and her teacher companion arrested.<<
I couldn't find that news on the home news page or even the UK news page of the BBC. I had to go to the Asian news page to find it.
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U14993989 Posted Sep 29, 2012
The BBC originally had the title link
"Boy escapes charges over PC deaths"
But have changed it to
"No charges for boy over PC deaths"
for the story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19769204
The phrase "escape charges" suggests the boy was culpable in some way ... more BBC cr&p headlining perhaps - wanting to make stuff up rather than reporting stuff.
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U14993989 Posted Sep 30, 2012
It's strange when murder and death are treated with affection and nostalgia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19777445
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~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum Posted Sep 30, 2012
I wonder what King Arthur's sword would bring at Auction.
Or Robin Hood's bow.
Or Nelson's eye-patch and wooden leg.
But yeah, Bonnie and Clyde are hardly in the same league.
~jwf~
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Nosebagbadger {Ace} Posted Sep 30, 2012
I can understand both interest and high, even extreme, worth. Affection does seem weird though i agree, whenever i see it in something like that
My brain went into overload trying to figure out which Nelson or Nelson-related joke i should use
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U14993989 Posted Sep 30, 2012
Malik Iqbal, a British man has been murdered in Pakistan as he prepared to give evidence against a gang accused of kidnapping him last year.
He went to Pakistan to give evidence against his abductors. The Pakistani courts had released two of the accused kidnappers out on bail. Shortly afterwards two men broke into the house where Mr Iqbal was staying and shot him in the head.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19781395
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swl Posted Oct 1, 2012
"Aberdonian thinks there was a crisp left in that packet'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-19783214
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Nosebagbadger {Ace} Posted Oct 1, 2012
UN states 'aid terror in Syria'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19788780
Needed to pay more attention when reading it - got seriously confused about why the sec gen would just want everyone to commit terror, nothing like alternate meanings to words
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~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum Posted Oct 1, 2012
On a lighter note, here's a short collection of recent
photos taken in Canada of the Northern Lights.
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/storm_watch_stories3&stormfile=Northern_lights_dance_across_the_sky_01_10_2012?ref=ccbox_news_topstories
There's a small 'gallery' just below the featured opening one.
All fairly spectacular if you're not familiar with this phenom.
Makes ya realise why primitive people believe in gods and
why Japanese tourists come here to conceive their children.
~jwf~
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