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Yael Smith Posted Jun 15, 2006
Rains, try Coldslaw and Leave Go... it drives me off the wall!
I think COLDslaw is worse. But transferring proper language into chils speak is so annoying- the child says it wrong already, it's your job to correct them.
Oh, and saying Haitch instead of Aitch. Grrrr...
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jun 15, 2006
It is haitch. (At least, it is in Ireland).
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TRiG (Ireland) A dog, so bade in office Posted Jun 15, 2006
Tut, tut, Gnommon. Your full stop should, here, be within the brackets.
I was told that the haitch/aitch distinction is one way of telling a Norn Ireland Protestant from a Norn Ireland Catholic.
TRiG.
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Rains - Wondering where time's going and why it's in so much of a hurry! Posted Jun 15, 2006
Ooh, I forgot the coleslaw/coldslaw one - that's another.
I have to stick my hand up and say I'm guilty of saying haitch and not aitch - although I tend to vary it without really being sure why. I think it's because if I get paranoid about the h-, I'm more likely to pronounce it with an h- . But I'm an odd Yorkshire woman who's beginning to sound like a Brummie, so I'll stop commenting on accents now .
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STRANGELY STRANGE ( A brain on a spring ) Posted Jun 15, 2006
Just book marking, but afraid to say too much in case I make a mistake! My spelling is not great.
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Yvonne aka india Posted Jun 15, 2006
Just caught up with this thread before getting chance to chip in, if that's alright? I agree with Rains about the grocer's apostrophe, even more so when a major chain-store is offering CD's and DVD's for sale.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jun 15, 2006
CD's and DVD's are not examples of the grocer's apostrophe. They are the application of a rule which says that the plural of a single letter is formed by adding apostrophe s. So, for example, if you wanted to buy the letter o a few times to make a sign for your house which said "Mon repos", you would need to buy some o's. Not os. You'll see this in minding your p's and q's.
It is a perfectly valid use of an apostrophe which is accepted by some and not by others.
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Teasswill Posted Jun 15, 2006
Ah, now that implies only one grocer. Should you say grocers' to indicate more than one, or will that then imply all grocers?
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Yvonne aka india Posted Jun 15, 2006
I think I understand what you're saying regarding the o's issue. Surely if I have many CDs and DVDs in stock then I have CDs for sale, in the same way as one would refer to them as compact discs rather than compact disc's? If I got this rule incorrect then I apologise.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jun 15, 2006
You can of course talk about CDs and DVDs, and many do. But others insist that it is correct to say CD's and DVD's. It is not clear-cut.
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Fiona Posted Jun 15, 2006
Then call them by full name -- Compact discs and digital video discs (this name in itself is subject to debate, though).
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Traveller in Time Reporting Bugs -o-o- Broken the chain of Pliny -o-o- Hired Posted Jun 15, 2006
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TRiG (Ireland) A dog, so bade in office Posted Jun 15, 2006
All of the following have been proposed as the words behind the letters DVD.
Delayed, very delayed (referring to the many late releases of DVD formats)
Diversified, very diversified (referring to the proliferation of recordable formats and other spinoffs)
Digital venereal disease (referring to piracy and copying of DVDs)
Dead, very dead (from naysayers who predicted DVD would never take off)
Digital video disc (the original meaning proposed by some of DVD's creators)
Digital versatile disc (a meaning later proposed by some of DVD's creators)
Nothing
And the official answer is? "Nothing." The original acronym came from "digital video disc." Some members of the DVD Forum (see 6.1) tried to express that DVD goes far beyond video by retrofitting the painfully contorted phrase "digital versatile disc," but this has never been officially accepted by the DVD Forum as a whole. The DVD Forum decreed in 1999 that DVD, as an international standard, is simply three letters. After all, how many people ask what VHS stands for? (Guess what, no one agrees on that one either.)
http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.1
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Jun 15, 2006
Gnomon, I looked up 'disk' , feeling it should be written like ou did, but I found that 'disk' is perfectly fine.http://www.onelook.com/?w=disk&ls=a
http://www.onelook.com/?w=disc&ls=a
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jun 15, 2006
Disk is the American spelling. Disc is the British spelling. Normally the two are pretty much interchangeable. I was offereing an alternative, not a correction.
In the case of CD, however, it is "Disc", as that is what it was defined as when the CD was created.
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- 41: Yael Smith (Jun 15, 2006)
- 42: Gnomon - time to move on (Jun 15, 2006)
- 43: aka Bel - A87832164 (Jun 15, 2006)
- 44: TRiG (Ireland) A dog, so bade in office (Jun 15, 2006)
- 45: Rains - Wondering where time's going and why it's in so much of a hurry! (Jun 15, 2006)
- 46: STRANGELY STRANGE ( A brain on a spring ) (Jun 15, 2006)
- 47: Yvonne aka india (Jun 15, 2006)
- 48: Gnomon - time to move on (Jun 15, 2006)
- 49: Teasswill (Jun 15, 2006)
- 50: Yvonne aka india (Jun 15, 2006)
- 51: Gnomon - time to move on (Jun 15, 2006)
- 52: Fiona (Jun 15, 2006)
- 53: Traveller in Time Reporting Bugs -o-o- Broken the chain of Pliny -o-o- Hired (Jun 15, 2006)
- 54: Fiona (Jun 15, 2006)
- 55: aka Bel - A87832164 (Jun 15, 2006)
- 56: Gnomon - time to move on (Jun 15, 2006)
- 57: TRiG (Ireland) A dog, so bade in office (Jun 15, 2006)
- 58: aka Bel - A87832164 (Jun 15, 2006)
- 59: Gnomon - time to move on (Jun 15, 2006)
- 60: swl (Jun 15, 2006)
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