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Iway onderway ifway heytay ouldway oderatemay igpay atinlay?

(Translation: I wonder if they would moderate pig latin)

bonjour tout les posteurs

i've just read through the last couple of pages and wonder if i can offer these thoughts as someone from outside the thread ?

my understanding of the house rule against foreign language is not that its not ok to use foreign words per se, but that if conversations are going on in another language that the mods don't know then, they can't moderate for things like flaming, abuse, defamation etc.

even though some have said that anyone could figure out the meaning of all franglais postings i am not so sure. if you don't know any french and you are not in europe then franglais is actually a foreign language for many people.

i'm in nz. there are many common maori words in use here. how many can translate this - kia ora bro, can you tell me your whakapapa ? i'm off to the hangi after this hui. that korero about tino rangatira tanga was ka pai. my tane is bringing the kai moana. his wahine did the waiata at the powhiri today. ka kite ano.

a lot of kiwis would be able to figure this out. i bet the mods don't though.


as far as the moderations already done, the mods should have or will email the researcher who has been moderated and let them know what they have been moderated for. it actually hasn't been stated in this tread yet, the specific reason (though there is a lot of guessing naturally). anyone who has been yikesed could post the reason here, then it would be very clear what is going on.



one thing i am not clear about - if someone uses the yikes button, does the post disappear immediately, or does a mod have to respond and go to the post and remove it manually ?

and is >all< moderation reactive, or are the mods still reading some of the threads themselves (its not clear from their page).



anyway having said all that., i must say that this is a very funny and hootoo-ish thread and long may it live

(and maybe sticking to more english than french as Terri suggested would be a good idea.)


bonne chance

kea.

I can answer those questions Kea. A post that has been Yikes does not disappear immediately - the mods have to look at it first. And as far as I know, all moderation is reactive at this time.

thanks JEllen.





so, if its all reactive then its a researcher (or researchers) thats sending posts to moderation. this could be because they genuinely don't understand the post. (or it could be malicious, or both). theoretically it could be because the post breaks house rules even when in english (though i realise this is unlikely)

once the mods started on this thread, would they go back through the whole thing, or is that being done by a researcher/s as well ?

obviously its not the use of french words that is inherently the problem, otherwise every post in this thread would be moderated. so what is the common theme with the ones that are being taken out ?




kea.

The fact that some posts are moderated and some are not depends I think on whether the moderator can follow it or not. If they understand enough of the French to make it out, they leave it (I think). But if the don't, it's out. That is a change from the old policy, which was no foreign posts whatsoever, whether they could figure it out or not. I have no idea whether they will go back through this whole thread and moderate stuff or not. I'm guessing they probably will. I think whoever yikesed this thread was overreacting, it's pretty harmless, but I agree with some of your points Kea. If they allow one foreign language to be posted, they have to allow all of them, and they can't hire moderators that speak all languages.

Whew, this is no fun, talking about such dull stuff. *Goes looking for some more silliness*

JE

I'm basing what I said on this F77636?thread=192242 which I may or may not have understood correctly.

good link JEllen.

which clarifies something. if a post is removed because of foreign language it goes in a line to await moderation. as such the poster won't get an email.

ordinarily a yikesed poster would be contacted by the mods about the post. ergo if you get yikesed but don't get an email you can assume its because the mods can't translate the post and its gone in to moderation until someone can.

i think i've got that right...

all quite complicated really

Oh, I'll have some of that cake! *munch, munch* Merci!

tu es welcome



(its way too embarrassing for me to start on the franglais <rollingeyesatselfsmiley&gt














pour tout les hooters qui have been moderateured, offended or otherwise peeesed off.

Does anyone concorde (agree) with me on my points of views in the previous postings that there is alot of French used in our everyday language (apart from Franglais) either through direct usage or by words that have a root/base in the French language there are so many (in earlier years when I was bored I used to spend my time reading the dictionary to find out where certain words had their derivations from), I will put a few examples below chosen at random from my Oxford WordFinder dictionary:

Grippe archaic or colloq. French - gripper seize.
Lawn Old French Launde.
Mal der mer (Poirot's favourite expression) sickness of the sea.
deja vu F already seen
There are so many examples I could spend hours just picking up words that either French derivations (there are lots of them - remember we have a strong Norman influence to our language) as well as Franglais and the other few French phrases I have described aabove.


JA

We'd like to clarify a few things.

It was *us* who referred the Postings, not another Researcher. We do have a Moderator who speaks French, and the next time she is able to, she will check the Postings and reinstate them if they are okay. We tried to pick out a random selection, rather than refer all of them. Apologies to anyone who feels that they have been singled out, this was not our intention.

The House Rules haven't changed now that we have reactive Moderation, and Postings in non-English languages still carry the risk of being referred, wherever they are posted.

Remember that all the other DNA sites do not allow non-English Postings at all, and they are removed for good immediately they are found. We avoid this total ban because h2g2 has a history of allowing Researchers to post in other languages pre-BBC.

Posting more English than French, and/or Posting a translation will help us to continute avoiding this total ban.

We hope this helps.

thanks for that. i think its helpful in this case to know who did the referring.


" We tried to pick out a random selection, rather than refer all of them."

why was this ?




kea.

hi JA

the standard practice in scrabble for deciding if a word is english and thus usable, is to look up an english dictionary (this assumes one is playing scrabble in english ).

there is a difference between an english word that is derived from another language (which is a lot of english words) eg lawn, and a word that is another language but is in common english usage eg deja vu

and its different again to use a word from another language that you might know the meaning of but that isn't in everyday english usage eg quel dommage


most english as an only language speakers would know the meaning of the first 2 examples, but lots wouldn't know the 3rd.



kea.

Pardon, m. Sprout, je suis un newbie genuine. C'est monsieur Allo Allo, by the way. I picked up le mot 'mod' in an earlier posting.
Au revoir later

Hello allo allo, and bienvenue (welcome). Can I suggest you put something on your space so people can come and say hello. You don't have to write much, just a few words (here are a couple to get you started, sheep, plug, smile ). You'll also get welcomed properly by one of our lovely ACEs who'll let you know more about the site and how to make the most of it. If you don't know how to put something on your space just click on Edit Page and enter some text in the field and you'll be well away.
If you've got any questions you can pop over to my space and leave a message or talk to any of the ACEs.

Salutations, all the mundane people,

I had been active in my lecture of this these days here, and Sacred Blue! it's all gone to morsels!

Hi Editors,

hi habitual frangleueses, frangleurs,

So we've been outlaws all this time, eh?

Well, i'd always figured we rested comprehensible, but evidently i had wrong.

But is it veritable that this was mainly at the cause of some arbitrary aggressive posts some time yesterday that created a rucus and drew the moderators attention herewards?


Do we stand accused, and asked to cease and desisit? Or just warned to keep it real?


Sky, my brother
spiff

Oh, allo allo, Allo allo,

sorry to simulpost there, nice to see you.

Do you know what all the kerfuffle was about? Did you get a slapped wrist? Wossgowinon?

Sorry, I am confused beaucoup by the way this whole chose operates, how do I trouve my messages personelle? I am vraiment new, just joined parce que I liked the thread. Maintenant, je suis back. A bientot, mes friends!

OK, i have essayed to poste quelquechose sur ma page, can you see it now? Apparement, j'ai caused un petit peu de controversy by lightheartedly yikesing someone for posting on this thread seulement en Anglais if you catch my drift - won't do it encore une fois.
!riover uA

Well, dans that case, bienvenue to Ash-Duh-Zhey-Duh!

I popped over to your espace personelle and see that you vraiment *did* just join for ce petit chat, so an extra big bienvenue to the Fil Frangleur,

A very soon
spiff