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Spiff Posted Feb 28, 2002
Watching () Casablanca this evening and loved this dialogue.
An old German couple about to get a plane to the USA and freedom.
Husband: [We] are speaking nothing but English now.
Wife: So we should feel at home ven vee get to America.
[...]
Husband: Liebchen... ahem... Sweetness heart, vat vatch?
Wife: 10 vatch.
Husband (surprised): Such much?
Rick's Deutsche barman (with a visible effort to appear sincere): You will get along beautifully in America.
just tickled my fancy,
spiff
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Feb 28, 2002
Can someone explain to me the phrase "Ghost in the Machine". I believe it was invented by Arthur Koestler, but I don't know what it means.
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Wand'rin star Posted Feb 28, 2002
I think it was originally a rough translation of Deus ex Machina, but now seems to have veered towards gremlins
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Gone again Posted Feb 28, 2002
I think 'the ghost in the machine' refers to consciousness or the mind. But I've been spectacularly wrong before...
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Henry Posted Mar 1, 2002
I'll go with Patter Chaser. As far as I remember from the book it was a reference to the consciousness.
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Munchkin Posted Mar 1, 2002
It tends to be used today (certainly in the things I read) to talk about Artificial Intelligence and stuff. Good for talking about machines that become sentient and terrorise their makers in a cheap Frankenstein rip off sort of way. I think it also applies to cars etc. that you have to talk to nicely before they start.
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Munchkin Posted Mar 1, 2002
Or, now I think about it more (always dangerous) it would be the ineffable something that turns a clever, yet predictable and programmable machine into a humanesque, self aware mind.
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Gone again Posted Mar 4, 2002
Munchkin mentioned <> *These* are dangerous! I can tolerate (so-called) intelligent machnery in general, but when I come across something that some sick programmer has primed to do things according to *its* own rules, and not take direction from humans, then I get ANGRY.
The only acceptable 'intelligent' machine is "slave" the shipboard computer from the wonderful BBC sci-fi series "Blake's Seven". Now *that* was AI as it ought to be.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Mar 4, 2002
I've heard of gymns with "intelligent" exercise machines. Each machine has a name, such as "George" or "Al". When you start working on Al, "he" speaks to you, saying, "I see you've been working hard on George, so I'll go easy on you". That I can do without.
I even get cross with messages "Please be patient while the files are installed". The worst is "I am about to restart your computer. Click on OK to proceed". There is no Cancel button.
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Munchkin Posted Mar 4, 2002
I think the message is there to give you one last chance to swear at the machine before it shuts down and then "mysteriously" fails to reboot, leading to four days of confusion and panic and a couple of hundred pounds worth of software/hardware. Or a lump hammer.
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Gone again Posted Mar 4, 2002
You're a man (oops! gender-assumption warning!) after my own heart, Gnomon. Perhaps large axes should be installed within easy reach of all programmable equipment, in case of urgent need, such as you describe?
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