h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Ah, very interesting, Math. Well here in The Colonies we also have these terms, but if I used them here I'd be in trouble Quite a bit of body parts on the list, though.


Sure she can, women do it all the time:
HE: Hi Sweetie, how was your day?
SHE: FINE!
What's wrong?
NOTHING!
Are you sure?
YES, dammit! Everything's FINE!
So something is bothering you?
NO! I'M FINE!
OK, what's bothering you?
YOU KNOW DAMN WELL WHAT'S BOTHERING ME AND IF YOU DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU!!

but this does not mean what she's doing is right or even nice.

< I think I would rather Believe the Hitchikers guide to be the ultimate truth..it's much more fun to read.>
Welcome Jezza, like many others you've replied to the first post. Don't worry, nobody here will make you go back and read the stuff in between. There are lots of good bits in there though. I agree about The Book, and it makes so much sense-the bit about us being descendants of loonies-at times. I'd put the Five Books of Adams up against the Five Books of Moses any day.



This thread is amazing-here we have a wonderful gem from Math, and the origins of another kind of math all on one page!


Dr Jeffreyo
Atheist
Adamsist

Hi Astrologica

"But who were the Druids, Math? I believe they were the Druhyus, one of five Vedic tribes."

That all depends whether you adhere to the old orthodoxy that all druids were 'Celts', and that these 'Celts' were part of a westward migration from the Indus civilisation all the way to Britain; or the more modern train of thought.

This latter theory points out that the term 'Celt', in its modern context, was an invention of a 19th century philologist to group a number of similar north west european tongues. This grouping was seized upon by the founders of the 'celtic revival' and also pressed into service by 19th century British politicians for purposes of propraganda against the dominance of Roman/Greek 'superior' civilisation, as claimed by the French, Italians and Spanish.

Most modern archaelogists and historians now recognise that the pre-Roman culture and religions of the British Isles were native, i.e. not imported by the mythical 'Celts'. Druidry seems to have been exported from Britain to the near continent, not imported and replacing the native priesthood.

Evidence now shows that the influx of the gallic (continental) tribes was restricted to the areas now known as Kent and Sussex, and occurred in the century or two before the Roman conquest.

Also what most older historians did not recognise was the immense counter-cultural effect the British had on the Roman Empire and its christian successor. Enough to threaten the power of the early Roman church. I could go on about Pelagius etc but I'm getting off-topic

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\

"That all depends whether you adhere to the old orthodoxy that all druids were 'Celts'"

No it doesn't! The Druhyus left India before the Saraswati river dried up, between 4,000 BC and 2,000 BC. There was no Arian or Celtic race and there is no evidence of an Arian invasion of India but what we do have is the words in Welsh and English and other European languages that are of Sanskrit origin.

Hi Astro

Are these sanskrit words in old welsh, middle welsh or modern welsh? Like all languages welsh has developed considerably over time, and the way they develop does not necessarily mean there were migrations or invasions.

For instance it is thought, and some clever mettalurgists are presently testing the idea, that the Phoenicians traded for tin with Cornwall and Wales (The Great Orme and Parys Mountain both have very ancient workings). It is quite possible that a few words came that way.

Another source could of been more recent migrations of romanies to Wales and Ireland.

Give me some example words in Welsh and I'll get a friend at Aberystwyth University to see if she can track down the sources.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\

Ok I Belive god esits but he does nothing that isn't in his intrest. Heaven doesn't egsiste.

Hello.

You've arrived from post one, I believe

Well, we don't expect you to read the 26 000 in between

Welcome

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Jez

I do believe faith should be put second, but in a very close second none the less. Religion is the cause for 99% of the violence in the middle east and it seems more and more an excuse to kill someone because they don't believe in the same god. I really think people {religious fanatics} need to start worring about the REAL world and stop asking god to deal with everyone and everythings problems. Even if there is a god {Not saying there is and not saying there isn't} do people really think that he/she/it wanted the world to turn out like this because he/she/it gave people something to believe in? I sure don't.

The Empty Head

Won't there be similarities in Welsh and Sanskrit because they're both Indo-European languages? That doesn't necessarily mean there was much contact between the different parts of, erm, Indo-Europe.

Although it certainly doesn't mean there wasn't.

Hey, I'm a 'celt'... are you saying that I don't exist?
Well, there's a possibility that I haven't quite ruled out entirely yet.
Good God(s) [or insert suitable substitute expression], but what a terrible pickle this is, now it would seem, that she and I are too into our adolescent brooding and whatnot... so that she is at turns stalking me (sorta-ish) and still too "scared"/shy to speak. Oh dear. See the sort of mess that comes out of saying you 'like' somebody... then utilizing the holiday at hand, without much forethought? Who'd have guessed it would have been April Fool's day.
NOo...
Too late. }Boom!{
"I blame you ---... > whatever _it is the _ that we haven't discovered/agreed upon yet_ that is in charge of everything," he said, muttering darkly.

Ah the "gentle" 'curse' that is to be whta it is to be called 'youth'.
. ...

Thorn

The Celts never existed, not do they now. The term 'celt' was an invention of the Victorians to promote an alternative historical imperative to Roman.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\

A Pretanni, not a Celt.

Maybe we should use 'celt' as a useful grouping, same as 'pagan'

Jez

Oh... well
[rearrange some of the words to "I feel pretty"]: I-feel ish! Oh so -ish, I feel -ish and happy,_ and }BAah!{ .
Victorean? How pervasively rooted into American culture then, it must be... :O
If I ever make gobs of cash I want to live in a large Victorean, so it can be all spooky and have bits of dusty cobwebby stuff, like they are supposed to have, and I can have a"weird" family... of my very own...

Um, you mean "Indiginous non-romanic native inhabitant" type folk? <- Eek... that's a mouth and a half-ful.
. .

Wait, I'm not pagan though, but I do know some nice people who are... (really). 1/2 Christian + 1/2 animist and ...
}Blamph!{
= 'inept'.

Hi Jez

'Pagan'? isn't that People Against Goodness And Normality?

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\

: Oh dear, oh dear oh dear... here we go again.
Watch out,... , etc.

*Tries to conceal being amused about the debate*
"..."
. Oops .

i don't know if anyone has brought it up yet, but. doesn't it seem funny that all religions deem someone/group/people/family as "the holy sent to /chosen by god to rule all of mankind? I myself find it hard to beleive in any of it due not only to the fact that I , myself am not apart of any aforementioned group, but also have an extreaneous ammount of the "issues with authority" gene. There may indead be a god, however, humans are generaly far to vain to be trusted to correctly present any message without dilluding it with personal ego.

Who is to say that these God(s), etc. are entirely trustworthy too?
If they are big and important enough to call all the universe shots,-wouldn't eons and eons bore the cr@p out of... Gee, I guess I wouldn't like being one.

Hi JACK

I see that you have dropped in from Post 1. Don't worry, there is no requirement to read the intervening 25,000+ posts

Your point is a good one, if you only consider the middle-eastern monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Judaism and Islam. However, there are many more religions than just these few and most of them have no 'chosen people'. Indeed quite a few have no all-powerful God that needs worshipping either. Their Gods are far less egotistical.

There are many paths to the divine, consider each before you scorn all.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\