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God is neither fact nor fiction really to the side that beleive he is fact to the side that dont he is fiction

What matters is that everyone has something they themselves beleive in. Wether it be christianity, wicca, buddism, or even satanism if you have a beleif you at least have your own rationality behind it. Faith (yes as in my name) means alot to me but what I beleive in doesnt matter its that I beleive that matters.

Hope that helps

Hi MF. I see you've joined us from post 20 and sensibly skipped the intervening 26000 posts

So, whether what you believe is true, or even makes sense, isn't important? Belief, in *itself* is somehow good?

Noggin

I believe that belief is wrong.

but by saying you beleive that beleif is wrong that means you beleive something

Well done you !!!

LOL

Just kidding

Well then, how about: its my opinion that belief is foolish. How does that strike you?

Belief is wrong? Or foolish? Surely you believe in something, even if it's only your parents' love...

Belief in the religiuos sense is both wrong and foolish.

I could point to a number of cults whose members all belived fervently in a nuber of things, the end of the world, aliens riding around hiddenin a comets tail or eternal life through positive thinking.

I could more easily point to people who believe the World Wrestling Entertainment bouts arent rigged. This is inspite of the facts that

A: its called ENTERTAINMENT and sport (although those who have been watching serie A matches in Italy cant even rely on sport)

B: the organisers have admitted in court it is all fake


So belief without evidence is foolish but so is smoking and rockclimbing and I do both of those from time to time. So in a way that's fine we can all beleive whatever we like.

Belief only gets dodgy when you start to tell those who dont know any better that it's true and exploit your position of authority to effectively brainwash people and set them in your ways of thinking. I include religious indoctrination in this just as much as stories about Santa or ghosts and ghoulies.

Im not saying dont tell stories to children, I think the, Aesops Fables, Pied Ppier, Anansi the Spider and Cinderalla etc...are great stories but they should be told as true.

Where beleif becomes wrong is when people decide that we should all act in accordance with their unsubstatiated stories and "spiritual" hunches.



"No madam this aeroplane hasnt been checked for airworthyness but it has been blessed by a Buhdist preist a shaman and the pope himself so I *believe* it will be safe for you and your children. Bon voyage"

one love

Surprised to see Anansi the spider in that list. Isn't that exactly the sort of indoctrination you were referring to?

Apologies for the typo in my previous post I meant to say

"Aesops Fables, Pied Ppier, Anansi the Spider and Cinderalla etc...are great stories but they should *NOT* be told as true.


"Here is a story"

"This is historical record"

The story of the Tollpuddle Martyrs and the flight from Egypt of the Jews both have a lot of impact because of their content but when delivered to a class as children only one should be labelled as fact, by law religioous myths such as David and Goliath should be delivered as something people choose to believe while Gallipoli and the like are historial fact.

Belief in parents' love? Interesting, but its not really a belief as such is it? You have evidence from the stupid things they do.

You could say there is a certain amount of faith in everyone through necessity I suppose, in choosing to believe that the things we experience through our sense are evidence of a real world, and the nature of evidence (cause and effect, inductive principle, coherence theory, whatever you want to pick as your starting point).

But well its still very different to the sort of belief you were talking about isn't it? And its kind of pre-programmed. I'm quite happy to be of the opinion that some of the inherited aspects of the human mind are a bit foolish, in fact its to be expected, and unavoidable really.

I guess the ultimate point was, that if something's important to you in making decisions about life, you'd be a fool to just believe when you could find out.

Hi BB

I'm out for a couple of weeks and already you're spouting complete gibberish - isn't that my department?

So have you ever read Aesop's Fables or Anansi the Spider? As you included them in your list I can only assume not.

Both these collections of stories teach lessons in both lateral and rational thinking in an entertaining way. Children are very good at sorting the fact from the fable. A few do propose moral or ethical dilemmas, but they do not fall back on tired old theology, but on moral or ethical solutions that were common to the societies that produced the tales.

I have been happy to read them to my children and discuss them at length.

Blessings,
Craig /|\.

Reincarnation FTW!

You have no choice though- I'm thinking it's merely dependent on the specific binary you may have been coded in (or the equivalent).

Welcome to the god thread Unconventional. You may or may not have noticed that your post is no 26052 on this thread. You are not required to read all the other posts but could you please explain your random thoughts on this subject.

Is randomness frowned upon?
I refuse to explain my ideas on the princible as the entirity of worldly creation is random in itself.
Cripes- take the carrot out of there and loosen up.

Randomness is my religion! I certainly don't frown upon it. Where is this carrot?

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God is a fact i will support my findings.
1+1=1
God In order for God to exist must know he is therefor he is.
plain simple truth i love it and everything
btw not christian am pure scientist
everything counts start with that and ask who created God

Well done JL, you got to post 20 before posting. Just another 26036 to go but you don't have to read them all, it's not compulsory.

does that make my statement any less valid?
didnt think so but if u do fine
u made no remark upon the post but critized me for not reading all views?do i have to to comment hmmm?

Don't worry, JLp, *nothing* could make your statement less valid

Noggin