A Conversation for The Manifesto for the Campaign to rename Thursday, "Thing"
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Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. Posted Jan 9, 2003
Hmmm... not to be annoying, but what about all that water you drink? You don't precisely give that back.
I figure that if people didn't eat animals, the earth would soon be overpopulated by the things, seeing as we've removed most of the natural predators of cows, chickens, turkeys, pigs, and everything else.
I do make it a rule, however, to never eat anything I kept as a pet at one time (therefore no s or s, though are borderline).
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Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. Posted Jan 9, 2003
You don't technically eat *cows*... just bulls that aren't used for mating. It's a tragedy to be born male in a bovine society.
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ex Brigadeer, now Tealady Werekitty aka Tobru De'ran; ex sith extraordinaire, well poked veggie fascist and Goo Goose Posted Jan 9, 2003
I know an animal is consious - I've had pets.
And I've experienced pain and I fear of death, so I wouldn't wish it on any other animal.
Anyway farmed potatoes are all clones, most plants are clones of the original.
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Jan 9, 2003
farmed potatoes arent all clones. you breed a cow just like you breed a potato. animals clearly arent conscious. they dont have the brain capacity. we dont eat pets anyway, so unless youve had a conscious pet cow, ill continue to eat beef, ta.
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Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. Posted Jan 9, 2003
O yes, I agree that an animal is conscious. Just what it's conscious of is the subject of many a debate. Unfortunately, I like turkey and beef too much to worry about it. If anything, eating it removes it from a bad life - I don't know how many farms you've been on, but most animals live in absolutely atrocious conditions, rarely something that effects them as food because their lives are ended so quickly, but something that would be detrimental to the quality of their lives if they lived any longer.
Also, those animals that are generally eaten aren't exactly the brightest. Cattle are bloody stupid, and have been bred that way, so are chickens. So I doubt they worry about the state of their souls.
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Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) Posted Jan 9, 2003
I guess there's a lot you could say on the subject...
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Narapoia Posted Jan 9, 2003
I've always been more concerned about how they are kept when they are alive and how they are killed, rather than the fact of killing them per se. So I only eat free range and preferably organic, and preferably from a known source.
Not sure about the idea that if we didn't eat them then we'd be overrun - if we'd never eaten them they probably wouldn't exist any more, certainly not in their present genetically selected form anyway.
Bacon buttie anyone?
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Jan 9, 2003
see what narapoia wrote for why your arguments werent handy...
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Jan 9, 2003
i think i like black pudding a lot. its all blood, but way tasty
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Jan 9, 2003
oh, alright. but we live in the real world atari, and its not a very nice place. you cant hide from...ABATOIRS!
ok, ll really stop now
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- 37601: Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37602: Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37603: ex Brigadeer, now Tealady Werekitty aka Tobru De'ran; ex sith extraordinaire, well poked veggie fascist and Goo Goose (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37604: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37605: Yael Smith (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37606: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37607: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37608: Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37609: Yael Smith (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37610: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37611: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37612: Narapoia (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37613: Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37614: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37615: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Jan 9, 2003)
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- 37617: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37618: Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents. (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37619: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Jan 9, 2003)
- 37620: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 9, 2003)
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