h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

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m2m2?

A290710

Batty really how long have you been here?

*thinks*

entirely too long... pre-rupert definitely but past that I couldn't tell you...

Go on, click A290710 and post something!

such as?

"Rillington, I think that, for good reasons, you have spent too much time in exclusively gay company and see the hetero world as a threat. Anybody can fall into that trap (as have I, in different circumstances, in the past) and it takes a step back to see why you feel the way you feel.

Sorry, I know that sounds patronising, but, as the majority of the people here would agree, the hetero world *isn't* out to get us, despite the *apparent* stance of the BBC. Really, very few heteros care if we're gay or not. Yes, we might feel that they ram their sexuality down our faces while we can't flout ours but, in fact, they don't. They're just being themselves. TV, advertising, in fact *most* popular culture focusses on straight people. It should: most people are straight. We might be under-represented but blaming all heteros is not the way to change that.

I'm not sure what is."

Have been out for a bit providing a shoudler for a friend to cry on and found that there are 46 more posts in this thread and Roymundo's post above is the one which needs a reply. Could do with the "quote original message" function but I've copied and pasted so people know which post I am replying to.

I'm not sure that it is true to say I feel that the hetero world as a threat but it is true to say that I have not ever had any acceptance from the hetero world and I do feel as if I have to behave in such a way which isn't me and moderate my behaviour accordingly. I do resent doing that and have ahd to do it with every heterosexual I have ever come across in recent years.

Also, the nearest contact I have had with heterosexuals has been women in gay bars being insulting, patronising and homophobic towards me coupeld with heteros going into gay spaces, showing no respect to those who are there and them degaying the former gay space, as I call it, by making us feel uncomfortable as a group of people and making it impossible for us to go there.

I think my main issue is that I can't be myself away from gay company or a gay environment and not being able to show affection to another man in public is something I take great offence to and the reason I cannot is because the majority - heterosexuals - don't allow us to be ourselves. Sometimes even being seen to be gay is enough for adults to move their children away from us in the supermarket in case we indoctrinate homosexuality into them etc. I've seen it happen many times.

Finally, as you say, mixed sex coupels holding hands in the street, having a snog at the bus-stop or railway station is heteros being themselves. However the fact I can't do that with another man is the issue and I can't be myself which is why I spend time exclusively around people where I CAN be myself.

"But to be honest any loving couple showing affection within reason (somewhere short of "hey! get a room!") is beautiful. It doesn't matter who the couple is or what the mix is. Love is, in and of itself, a rare gem."

Oh and just a quick reply on this sentence too.

Yes it is but it makes me realise that I don't have that same freedom to do that, for the simple reason that I would get hassle, and that annoys me very much.

whatever...

Oh and Roymondo I posted to your thread on gay adoption...

Rillington, no one denies that things could be better, but they are a hell of a lot better than they were. I've never wanted to kiss a man in public, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing with a girl (if I was straight) either. That's not homophobia, it's courtesy.

Some parents might move their kids away, some people might feel uncomfortable. A few years back that would have been *most* people and parents.

It's more than you think.

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Sorry you think it's bigotary. Am, just pointing out the facts as they are.

Sorry Rillington, you're not pointing things out as they are, you're pointing things out as you see them, whch differs to the experience of most people in this thread (which, oddly, hasn't been moderated, just as m2m2 hasn't been).

For Bob's sake get off your soapbox and have a laugh or you'll be old before your time!

*sneaks back online*

Still talking about the same thing?

Hey Batty! I knew about m2m2, and I thought I was last to know about it..

Roymondo, Hubby says thanks for the tip on the Led Zepplin! He enjoyed it..

It's a combination of both based on facts and what i observe around me. I accept that people have different experiences to me - we all have our own experiences, and I form my own views based on what I see myself. I'm not saying I'm necessarily right but I can only put things as I see them. Clearly others have different experiences and that's fine and maybe I am too quick to generalise but when I see a group of people acting a certain way towards another group of people time and time again, both towards me directly and to those around me, then I am going to form an opinion that this is what happens in general.

I do apologise if I have upset people and it disappoints me that certain people think I am bigotted. I honestly think I am not. I just respond to what goes on around me and what I say is what I have observed both towards myself and when seeing what goes on around me.

Ok I'm going to drag the topic back to scotch eggs for a minute so can someone tell Batty.

I add sage, fresh breadcrumbs, onion and Branston Pickle to the sausage meat before I wrap it around the egg, it is really yummy.

As for the topic at hand, Rillington you seem to be laying the "Nobody loves me, everybody hates me" "You're all Gay-Bashers" "I'm not going to see anybody's point of view but my own" on extremely thick, you've already alianated a lot of people in this thread already and if you keep wailing and gnashing your teeth no-one is going to take you seriously. People were prepared to listen to you at the beginning and explained to you about the portion of the House Rules that you wee queirying, now because you've beat everyone over the head with your 'Homophobic BBC' stick, no-one really wants to listen to you bleat over and over and over and over again about how unfair life is $hit happens, deal with it. Oh and by the way before you weep and wail at my posting it's an opinion that's all, I've had loads of gay friends of both sexes and they have been some of the best friends I've had.

Jack and Cal you 2 are the loveliest people around hootoo, I wish my marriage was as happy as your relationship is.

awwwww thanks reef


Rillington, I find it really hard to believe that you've come up against all this hatred.


I have a friend who before now has walked around donny town centre in a bright pink sparkly bikini with a pink boa and pink cowboy hat really camping it up and no-one batted an eyelid at him, well, a few laughed *giggles* but still. Infact he will camp it up as much as possible especially if he thinks it's going to get on someones nerves.

You must be going to all the wrong places is all I can say

You're welcome Cal