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anhaga Posted Feb 17, 2004
I've been saying quite seriously for years that by about 2020 there will be American troops in our streets. Not many have taken me seriously.
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Montana Redhead (now with letters) Posted Feb 17, 2004
If it comes to that, screw my pacifism. I will go join the Canadian military and drive them out. That's frightening to think about.
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anhaga Posted Feb 17, 2004
But really, if they ever rolled across the border and asked directions to our Capital, everybody would just point north and continue about their business. Just imagine all those tanks sinking into the melting permafrost along the coast of Ungava and Hudson's Bay and spinning their treads along the Mackenzie Valley.
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anhaga Posted Feb 17, 2004
Oh, and:
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/02/16/border_explosives040216
exporting terror indeed! And not packing much geographical knowledge.
As has been mentioned on another thread, if it were the wife of a Canadian serviceman heading the other way, she'd likely be in Guantanamo Bay by now.
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Lentilla (Keeper of Non-Sequiturs) Posted Feb 17, 2004
> Yeah, but Clinton ignored the intelligence suggesting that the various groups were planning something big.
I've heard that, but I've also heard that he increased funding for intelligence agencies. Bush Sr. had decreased funding during his presidency in an attempt to make the budget look a little better.
Speaking of which... one of the proposed budget cuts that Bush Jr. thought would be a good idea was a decrease in funding for the CDC (Center for Disease Control)... durrr... what in the world was he thinking?
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Montana Redhead (now with letters) Posted Feb 17, 2004
Well, according to his logic, what do they really *do*? I doubt Shrub even knows what CDC stands for, for crying out loud.
Egads, with Shrub in the White House and Ah-nold the governor (governator) of my state, is it any wonder the rest of the world thinks I live in a stupid country?
Ah, the humanity, the humiliation, the horror.
I'm still trying to figure out how she got Vancouver BC and Vancouver WA mixed up....
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U195408 Posted Feb 17, 2004
According to Al Franken in "Lies, and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right", Clinton had specifically started a commision to look into the terrorist threat in his last year in office. Being a holdover from the Clinton administration, this group was largely ignored and dismissed by the shiny new Bush administration.
Hopefully some of that will come more to light when the 9/11 commision finishes its report.
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Feb 17, 2004
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I don't think so somehow... I think the 911 commission report will be about one thing - CYA!
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purplejenny Posted Feb 17, 2004
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Ha-ha! Like the Hutton report brought anything to light in the UK!
I'd just like to remind everyone that Bush Senior was sat with a Mr Bin Laden on the day of 911. Will the investigation be looking into what those two senior power brokers were chatting about on that day?
And George W showed incredible calm inaction as he was told of the events. You can see a video here of him at the school reading event he was visiting that morning, and watch as he dumbly sits there for a full five minutes, AFTER being told that the second tower had been hit. What was he thinking *just sat there* while the US was under attack?
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm
Will the report be investigating his delayed reaction?
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Lentilla (Keeper of Non-Sequiturs) Posted Feb 18, 2004
Somebody a while back posted a timeline of Bush and what he did on that day. It was really interesting; maybe he/she will post it again for us. One of the things it mentioned was a possible attack upon Bush and his entourage while they were in Florida, getting ready for the publicity stunt at Booker Elementary. (Group of odd Middle Eastern folk trying to get into the hotel where Bush was staying, and driving around in a gray/white unmarked van.) Also I thought how odd it was that he should be spending valuable presidential time on a public relations thing in Florida right after he was elected... perhaps George was paying Jeb back for fixing the election for him!
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Lentilla (Keeper of Non-Sequiturs) Posted Feb 18, 2004
You know, of course, that Bush Sr. was working with the Carlisle group at the time. The Bin Laden family was a minor investor (only about 4 million or so) to the group. Nobody's ever said what they were talking about, but I find it more than a coincidence that their son, the rebel without a cause who was sent away with his fortune, later pops up to make trouble for the U.S., his family's biggest ally.
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Empty Sky (Remember me fondly.) Posted Feb 18, 2004
"Somebody a while back posted a timeline of Bush and what he did on that day. It was really interesting; maybe he/she will post it again for us."
Try this:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/dayof911.html
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combattant pour liberte Posted Feb 18, 2004
"Then we can start figuring out a way to put him [G.W. Bush] in court for his crimes"
That will almost certainly never happen, even if democracy really comes to Iraq, and a vengeful Shi'ite-dominated government requests Bush II and Blair's extradition for war crimes trials (not to mention Clinton, who bombed Iraq weekly, Major, Bush I, as well as WMD-selling Reagan and Thatcher and whoever ran France in the 1980s).
Look at Henry Kissinger. Now Nixon is dead, Kissinger is one of the sole survivor co-conspirators behind the Vietnanm War. Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos were carpet bombed with conventional bombs, fire-bombs, cluster bombs and chemicals. CIA-backed death squads murdered suspected "Communist sympathisers" in South Vietnam in retaliation to similiar programmes in North Vietnam. Ground troops went on rampages of murder, arson and rape.
(Lt. Calley was convicted in the US of rape and murder for his role in the My Lai massacre, when hundreds of women and children were raped and shot. He was sentenced to life imprisonment, but released within a few months and has spent the remaining years writing books justifying the murder of Vietnamese babies).
Henry Kissinger had command responsibility over all of this. He was also complicit in the Cambodian Holoocaust, Indonesia's genocidal invasion of East Timor, murderous Gen. Pinochet's overthrow of Chilean democratically-elected President Salvador Allende. And the list goes on.
Kissinger killed over three million people. But he is free, living in America.
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anhaga Posted Feb 18, 2004
Don't forget Colin Powell: he was in charge of covering up, under the guise of "investigating", Mai Lai. And he got to be in charge of lying to the UN about Iraq. A life's work to be proud of.
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Feb 18, 2004
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I wondered what had become of him. Thanks Combatant.
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logicus tracticus philosophicus Posted Feb 18, 2004
Interesting program on BBC2 (uk) at moment !!!!!!!!!
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Feb 18, 2004
Please, ltp, for the benefit of we who are not in the UK, give details!
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- 4781: anhaga (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4782: Montana Redhead (now with letters) (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4783: anhaga (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4784: anhaga (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4785: Lentilla (Keeper of Non-Sequiturs) (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4786: Montana Redhead (now with letters) (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4787: BouncyBitInTheMiddle (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4788: U195408 (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4789: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4790: logicus tracticus philosophicus (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4791: purplejenny (Feb 17, 2004)
- 4792: Lentilla (Keeper of Non-Sequiturs) (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4793: Lentilla (Keeper of Non-Sequiturs) (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4794: Empty Sky (Remember me fondly.) (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4795: badger party tony party green party (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4796: combattant pour liberte (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4797: anhaga (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4798: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4799: logicus tracticus philosophicus (Feb 18, 2004)
- 4800: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Feb 18, 2004)
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