h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

You all might be interested in looking at this as well, and the sites of the studies discussed (there are links at the end of the article):

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/editorial_june1203.htm

Anhaga

If the numbers are admittedly not precise, why is Empty Sky so gleeful about them rolling over a set point (10,000)? That's the point I'm trying to make. I think Empty just wanted an excuse to repost that site. That's a good way to avoid spamming accusations...

The assumption that all their numbers are low is based on opinion, not fact. They assume more aren't being reported b/c it's lawless. I've heard the opposite opinion espoused...

dave

I see your points. Perhaps you should ask Empty Sky (for the sake of everyone, politely) why the site was reposted.

That having been said, I've sometimes reposted links after a time. I don't think there was any danger of a spamming charge in this case. The link is relevant and on topic, and there may be those around who are happy to have it reposted.

I wish sometimes that I could have been the one!!!!The French eat horses and Frog's legs(I have tasted them but I prefer beef and halibut...) but they also go to the toilets, take showers, think of why they are on earth.......In fact, I don't think that we should talk about what we eat but what we think

You're right Anhaga, it's not really spamming, and people do appreciate these reposts. If getting the sight out was the reason for the repost, it would be better to say that than come up with another, less tenable reason to post it.

okay Dave.


(sometimes I just love post 21s)

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Do we Dave? How do we know that?

<< You hijack the guy's email addy and then when he gets angry, you say he's lost credibility?>>
Montana, as you should know, *ES* had nothing to do with Sarge's email address. Wraith *investigated* the email, he did not hijack, hack or do anything else with it.As dar as I know, all he did (as a joke, and because it's possible) use 'Sarge's' email to send a greeting to Sarge himself. This shows that 'Sarge's' "address" was one set up to forward spam - it's all technical and I don't quite undersyand how it's done - but just as you couldn't "hijack" mine (if you knew it and wanted to, because it's legit), neither could Wraith have done anything with Sarge's if *his* was completely legit...
If Sarge could ever have proved anything against him, or was on the up and up himself, he would have taken some kind of action, surely, and he never did. His very hasty exit after the ranting threats he made, was very suss in and of itself.

While I don't condone Flipper's insulting people, I feel he was very much provoked, and remember for the purposes of bias I'm lefty liberal scum bordering on post-Marxist here.

I find Flipper credible.

Just so everybody knows: a while after Wraith checked out Flipper's address, I ran my own check with Oceanwerks software's Validate Pro email validator. It came back legit. Of course, all that would mean is that it's a US military address. But, when taken with Montana's assurances that Flipper is what Flipper says, I don't have a problem with Flipper being what Flipper says (well, I may have a problem with Flipper being what he says, but I don't have a problem believing that Flipper is what he says he is where he says he is.) I don't doubt that the Wraith ran a check on Flipper's address had had it come back as a fake: I don't distrust the Wraith; I just don't know about the software he used.

All that having been said, I don't really care whether Flipper is a carreer soldier in Iraq, a pimply teenager in Peoria, or Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner: his opinions about the Iraq schtick carry just as much weight as any one else's here.

His stupid gay bashing comments colour my opinion of him, not my opinion of the validity of his opinion of the war in Iraq.

Gotta go tend a grilled cheese sandwich

Sorry, Bouncy, simulpost.

I agree with what you say, but I think, to be fair, Flipper was a fair hand in the provocation department. But, seriously, if he's gone, let's all just moveon.org. If he returns, I'm sure we can hash it out some more.

I am also incline to support flipper as provecated rather than provogator.
"Blair said proposals by the three to create military battle groups capable of intervening quickly in crisis spots around the world as well as joint moves to persuade Iran to accept tougher nuclear inspections showed the benefits of working together.

"I think it is important that we try and work at these issues together not in any sense at all to exclude any countries," Blair said.

"In a Europe of 25 I think there will inevitably be attempts to make sure that we can resolve issues and resolve them not simply always operating at 25 but also trying to work at these issues amongst ourselves," he said."

So who is the third is the first question, a europe of 25 O.k i was last at school over thirty five years ago ,only 25 countries in europe, next we will be told only two countries in america!!!

by the way from btopenworlds newspage if anyone is interested in the rest of the waffle.

while very anxious to move on, I feel I must emphasise my position firmly on the fence in the flipper provocation debate.

I will say no more on the subject

I don't know what software Wraith used, no doubt he'll come and explain... but I really feel that Flipper was provoking hard out from the start - remember the butt darts thing?
I understand that it's irrelevant where he is in the last analysis, except that "Your Honour, it goes to establish character.." sort of thing.
It's just that I know Wraith would *never* do anything dishonorable, neither would ES.

Here's something that might be of interest, although it's Afghanistan rather than Iraq. Seems that as fast as the Canadians and others are clearing mines left over from twenty years of war, Afghan warlords are putting them back down again for "personal protection".http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/040212/w021258.html

I expect this kind of behavior will become a problem in Iraq, as well

Wraith is coming back? I thought he unsubscribed for good. Della, we all have our own definitions of honourable, dishonourable, wrong, right, genocide...although it matters what you think, clearly some of us have very different opinions about this. It's probably better just to forget it and move on. What good does it do, if I were to respond to your post "Clearly Wraith did something dishonourable?" Then we just end up in "no he didn't" "yes he did" type argument. It's probably best just to drop it.

dave

I just cannot be-flipping-lieve it! Are they insane? (Obviously...)
Landmines are just so *horrible*!

Yes, landmines should be right up their with poison gas, biological weapons, and torture. Here's a list of the signatories to the land mine treaty: http://www.icbl.org/ratification/

And here's a list of non-signatories (I figured you'd ask): http://www.icbl.org/treaty/nonsign.php3

There's a notable name near the bottom of the second list (and I'm not talking Uzbekistan).

I'll check those lists out when I get home - but I bet I suspect what name you mean...