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I think it is a good thing.

(I have to say that though or az will kick me off the "team")



Can I ask what is a flame war?

Im simply posting my opnions and asking about other peoples or in some cases striaght up challenging or declaring the posted veiw as wrong.

Is that a flame war, I dont know as Im quite new to the cyber world, although I have watched Tron twice I doubt that makes me an expert.

<<(I have to say that though or az will kick me off the "team")>>




blicky,

Please return to our tactical briefing session!

az

You made the statement about hetero women having some man to drive for them. You were implying (a) women are bad drivers.

No I wasn't because I KNOW that statistically women have less crashes per driver than men. So I would never imply that. If it were the case that women are worse drivers i would say that but its not true so why would I and whats more having reread my post I dont know how you came to such a conclusion about my veiws?


(b)lesbians drive themselves so they have more accidents

Yes this is a possibility that occured to me also, I was hoping that this and other possible causes for lesbians having more car accidents per head than their hetero sister might pring to mind from other too.

(C) Hetero women are all little old ladies or Miss Daisy, get driven by men therefore have fewer accidents. I just wondered why you made such a bizarre assumption. (You can't wriggle out of it with talk of question marks, you know what you meant.

There is nothing that Im trying to wriggle out of I posted what anyone who cares to can read. What I was and I am still trying to do is explain to you is that what you have assumed is not what I meant. Have you ever wondered why it is just you who adopts these odd interpretations of my posts and chooses to attack me in such a way.

(AliG wannabe, how wrong can one person be)

Oh, you really let your prejudice show there, BB. People who are secretly religious might lie about being so, and be thought to be reasonable. For someone who bleats about being the victim of bigotry all the time, you don't try hard to hide your *own*, do you?
Of course I have proof that most active anti-abortionists are women, *and* that most pro-abortionists are men (other than my own experience.

It would be rather dull to do so but i could give you proof of cause for my prjudice, but in a nutshell this is it: You have Della time and time again posted your opinion as if it were well researched and carfuly considered conlusion based upon such research. When infact it has been nothing but your parochial veiw of the world. So I do question a lot if not all of the posts I see you make on subjects that are close to my heart, even when we agree on certain subjects.

If you have proof of your oft stated opinion that most prochoicers are men and most prolifers are women and please also define "active" while your at it, why dont you front up with it?

But I'd rather get this thread back on topic, for fear of her distortions again.


Why the rush, what we do here has no great import and we can take our time if we wish. Why not let us discuss this topic and your "proof" or are you changing the subject so that we dont do that?


If I see that nast little az distorting what you post, I'll kick "her" off the team.

The whole absurd 'lesbians having up to 300 times more car accidents than heterosexual women' thing was based on 'statistics' obtained by a very dodgy method, to say the least. It was not meant to be taken seriously, folks. It was pointed out to show the sometimes very great statistical inaccuracies that can occur.

az
(not nasty and really not so little . . . )

well you would be little stood next to me and if you're not nasty why does Della "fear" you?

ummmm . . . cos I'm scary???

Really, I don't think Della fears me at all, but she does seem to prefer ad hominem arguments rather than logical ones.

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Yes well, who wouldn't?

az

Anyhoodle, getting back to my previous link about the United Church of Canada:

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Now, I do find it refreshing that this is a Christian church that has no issues against homosexuals. It has always been my understanding that Christ was not opposed to homosexuality (though I could be wrong about this). At any rate, religions (as with dictionaries) should move with the times and be up-to-date with regard to the societies they exist within.

So, if any homosexual person, who is also a Christian, decides they would prefer to have a church wedding ceremony rather than a civil one, I personally don't see why they should not have this option.

az

azahar, you are a charming woman, filled with warmth and aroha. Yes, most certainly.

>>If I see that nast little az distorting what you post, I'll kick "her" off the team. <<
She doesn't have to do any distorting - you both do it handily.
If you are saying that you didn't mean what you seemed to mean (about hetero women being driven everywhere by men - maybe you had Our Queer Old Dean in mind?) then what on earth *did* you mean? I wouldn't half love to have a male chauffeur, as would many of my sisters, but it just doesn't happen.
Active anti-abortionists - it's obvious. People who protest the status quo of abortion on demand. (While I am at it, don't be silly, of course I don't mean clinic bombers and killers of abortionists - in real life, they're as rare hen's teeth, but oh do they make a juicy story!!!)
Gender distribution in the abortion wars. I'll supply some figures later. Meantime, azahar and blickybaby, chill out. Have some and s.
Silly me, of course you'd prefer etc!

Erm, you have really planned that.......... anything you wana tell people?

LMAO!

Well actually nowadays it is a bit unfair because men are put across as thick people who smack each other about, im surprised i havent been accussed, im great with girls, i am intelligent, i am crazy, i dont give a s**t what other people think of me, my life is like a show even though it aint....

Actually nah, im just perfect/crazy so nah i wouldnt be accused anyways, because......actually i am trying to live down the story of what happened to someone when i didnt want to lose a game of tag, it ended in a hospital so maybe there is that character in everyojne, or maybe ive got no idea?

This is an article I saw in this morning's Guardian which talks about a new acceptance of gays and gay rights in the UK.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/gayrights/story/0,12592,1105351,00.html


az

For reasons that the original post points out I too do not think it is strictly defamatory to point out that someone is gay, but I think anyone who is outed (obviously against theri wishes) should be allowed some legal recourse. There is still a lot of pointless discrimination that homosexual and bi peole suffer on a day to day basis as well as people who are willing to harass, assault and in some cases kill people because of their orientation.

The sooner we get to the right idea that although slightly unusual homosexuality is no more abnormal than being left handed or not liking football the better. All the laws that marginalise same sex relationships only serve to reinforce the fallacy the homosexuality is "wrong".

Apologise if this has already been shared on this thread.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/031204/w120428.html

I'm a little confused about Reddyfreddy's comments re: gay marriages and life insurance/pensions.

Working on the assumption that gay men do have a shorter life expectancy, I can understand higher premiums for life insurance (meaning that insured straight people *don't* currently end up paying over the odds for their insurance).
I thought that it was possible to nominate the beneficiary of life insurance policies so that whether two men are actually married wouldn't make much difference if a partner was named as the beneficiary of the policy.
Regarding pensions, if gay men *do* have a lower life expectancy, then I guess a married gay man still ends up costing the pension fund less than a married straight man, since on average his partner is likely to die much earlier than the average widow due to the double whammy of being being both male *and* gay. Presumably half the time the gay man's partner will predecease him, whereas the straight man's wife will likely outlive him.

In general, a good risk for a pension company is a bad risk for a life insurance company. In the first case I'm not sure the gay man gets a discount, in the latter case he ends up paying more (possibly fairly).

I'm not sure how I lose out if he marries his partner, except as a result of him getting fairer treatment re: inheritance tax and surviving partner's pension benefits. The first of those seems only right, and in the second case he may still pay as much in as a married straight man for lower average returns.
In any case, I'm not sure I can morally object to fairness because it might cost me a little money.

Incidentally, studies support the results az reports for her 'would you date someone of the same sex' test - but biologically, not psychologically.

The study by Elke (1986) found only six pairs of identical twins, two male, four female, for which one twin was gay. For the female twins, no concordant pairs were found, while for the male twins, one was concordant and in another the twin had a three-year homosexual affair while they were a teenager with an older man before later living as a heterosexual.

Implying, obviously, that male sexuality is more heavily inbuilt than female sexuality, or rather, that the latter is more flexible.

- Jordan

That's very interesting, Jordan!