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I know the horror isn't usual, but PTSD does happen - I just think it would be worse if it was an unwanted child.

This is based on emotion not fact so is not really something to argue with.

Well said Z, perhaps others on this thread ought to consider that too.

That is to say emotions are valid, but opinions are just that, they are not facts and to present them as such is....well as they said about Jeff Hoon.

He was presenting information in a way that is unhelpful in establishing the truth.

marking

I'm currently researching the topic of Abortion for a friends Law essay (he has no net access) the topic is under the heading "medicine and ethics" It's important that the law is at the forefront of the text but on such emotive topics it's difficult to disguise political issues or those of personal morality. Lawmakers simply have to try their best to push personal opinion as far to the back of their minds as they can - anybody prepared to try to draft any kind of legislation on this topic deserves respect as there seems to be no middle ground for them to stand on, attacks from both sides seem inevitable.

I just wanted to thank all those who contributed to this thread as they have highlighted most of the arguments used both for and against the PBA debate and have made my work easier.

Ursula Toad

hi Ursula,

Do we get a mention in the bibliography?

az

That'll be down to my mate

The bloomin stuff is still printing though - don't think he'll thank me for the extra reading!!

Ursula Toad

I am so very glad that this thread has achieved something positive. So often we (well, I anyway) forget that the things we contribute- whether trite, heartfelt, researched, or reasoned are part of a whole and saved for others to sift through.

Good on you and your mate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3570361.stm

Well is this the first step in banning Abortions stateside?

Along with the woman in Utah who has been charged with murder for not undergoing a caesarian to save both her twins (one died) even though there was no guarantee the operation *would* have saved both.

I find this very scary, FB.

az

I know... I mean it is a stated aim of the GOP to ban abortions. I remeber a similar outrage a few years ago when Jeb Bush appointed a legal advocate to oversee the rights of a fetus.

It reminds me of people repeating a lie enough until people just start believing it.

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And also reporting the lie in a very sensational manner so people might unthinkingly get all emotional over what they are being told without looking beyond the hype.

A similar thing is being done in the US over the rights for gay people to marry. It's all being done quite sneakily and aiming at the lowest common denominator.

First D&X procedures were made illegal. Then by protecting 'the right of the foetus' over and above the rights of the mother. It seems far too clear to me where all this is leading.

az

yes....

hi FB,

Was just chatting with another hootoo friend about this thread and he said he wouldn't post anything here as it is *too controversial*!

Well, f**k.

If people are going to be such wimps then we may as well give up already!



az

'Here the Republicans believe they, not the Democrats, represent mainstream American opinion.'

Funny..I'm becoming less sad about expatriating myself to the UK.

Higher fines for pregnant women are just insulting. If it's because of the sympathy factor of 'oh, how could someone hurt a pregnant woman,' then that's lazy ethics. If it's a more insidious strike at a woman's right to abortion, then I wonder if the SSA will start paying disability to barren women, since they're unable to fulfill their God-given roles as incubators for other humans.

Crikey Az,

I must confess I was a trifle reticent about ressurecting this thread; given its controversial past. However I kind of thought it was the right place to post that link.

I think that casting aside my own views about the issue; it is very important and needs to be discussed.

FB,

Crikey?

What *are* your personal views?

I think it is very important that people express their views no matter what.


Nyssa,

Higher fines for pregnant women? What's that all about?

az

I couldn't get through all the backlog since August last year. So I don't feel I can make a comment on everything that's occurred.

One thing I would like to say though, is that I am appalled in regards to Adele's behaviour as a "feminist". Using an abused background as a factor in a debate is not good practice at all. Especially when one is approaching the topic of abortion. This is the reason why I dislike those who call themselves feminists - they claim to be for the rights of other women, but 99% of the time, it's about dragging them down and trying to take the opposite gender with them too. Her posts left me with a sour taste in my mouth and aren't something I wish to return to.

hi Saturnine,

Well, if out of almost 1250 postings you can only comment on some crap that Adele said then I think you have missed the point of the thread. I don't mean that unkindly, just pointing out that the thread is about human rights, basically. What Adele had to say about feminism isn't all that important, though I can understand that you may have found it distasteful.

However, what the US president has to say about abortion and human rights is VERY important and also very frightening. This is why Ferretbadger revived the thread.

I read on the 'who are you?' thread this morning that you are living in Canada now. Does that give you any further insight into how Americans think and live? Being a next door neighbour, as it were. Can you see much American influence where you are? What do you think these new laws - the link posted by Ferrettbadger - imply? Are you worried about them?

az