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I expresed how depressing he is to watch. I feel no different now. It is more saddening that he is now upset about the interviews. He spent 8 mos with the guy and is NOW surprized and insulted about the contentof his story!

All week it has been the US Question - whether he should be investigated as a parent. There is one opinion after another about him as a father. There is another show about him , Monday I believe.


My sister-in-law is a Jeehova Witness. She has been around him several times. They (the J. Witnesses') always thought he was great with the kids and a good role model. That was in the early 80's before his career bounced back bigger than ever. He was quite reserved around adults, more comfy with the kids.

Everything has been said *shrug*

Not quite.

I have just had chance to read the whole backlog of this thread.

I apologize for saying exactly the same thing as Long Suffering Lab Rat, and anyone else who saw their thoughts repeated, in my previous quick post yesterday.

I watched a lady lawyer on yesterday's Sky News, who obviously is making a case up against Michael Jackson. What she said made sense to me, that as a parent, he has inadequacies.

However, I watched the documentary again, in particular, when he was attempting to give "Blanket" a bottle - I have never seen a parent act like that with a baby.
The way he jiggled the child {and how distressed the baby was} and the way he held the child, it was all so forced, so alien.
It was all staged, Michael had never fed that child before, I'd bet. He didn't even know how to hold the baby properly.
Michael obviously {in my eyes} plays no part in the day-to-day upbringing of his children, I suspect he has an army of nannies who probably work a 6-8 hour shift system. How can a kid look after other kids? They're just toys to him, not real people, I have no doubt he will lose interest when they become adults, in fact he will probably cut all contact, as they will remind him he is growing old.

Unfortunately he has the money and therefore the means to go on paying women to bear him children = more toys to play with + more trips to the zoo, etc. and that scares me.

They are not the first celebrity children, and no doubt they will survive, though probably will run up a huge psychiatrist bill for their mega-famous father.

Just the other week I read about Madonna's daughter Lourdes, who is not allowed to eat what the other kids at her school eat, just what her mother says she is allowed to.
That upset me.
I imagine a bewildered child wondering why she is different to all the other kids, and thank God I was brought up by normal people.

It is so sad when parents {any, famous or not} inflict their will upon their offspring. It just makes for unhappy relationships, and rebellious teenagers! Children are not possessions, nor extensions of yourself.

And it's a lot sadder when you have all the toys you could possibly want, yet you still crave the companionship of children, who are the only people on the planet who understand you and accept you for who you are unconditionally.

I doubt he's made a Will.

Just a little intervening from my part for a second. The reason why I came back with such a vengeance against some people, is because with something *as* serious as an opinion of another person, it is really distasteful and immature to bandy around words such as "nutcase" and "freak"...I've done it before, so I'm no saint, but when accusations of unfit parenting and mental illness are being approached, it's hardly an adult way to talk. When a person sits there are can't be bothered to do anything but point a finger and go "uuurgh you're a freak"...frankly you deserve every attack you get.

My own personal opinion of MJ is that the interview was not a balanced view of him; it was only out for controversy and sleaze. He seems to have mental issues that he cannot deal with on his own, and money to indulge them as he wishes. The children acted pretty well-balanced to me, and as he obviously only sees them for a little amount of time each day, I doubt they will suffer adversely. It will be interesting to see what they will have to say about their fathers adversaries when they are old enough to speak for themselves - remember that children have a heck of a lot more freedom than they used to. As for the other children...MJ is clearly pre-sexual, and I haven't a single thought in my head that he is molesting them. He seems to genuinely love and care and respect young people, which is a lot more than a lot of people do these days.

People that tend to react so severely only because he is so different from the frankly warped and animalistic ways of "normal" society. It's a hard concept to grasp that someone may not have a sex drive, as well as just not conform to what you want them to be. I also wonder about the people who are throwing the peadophile implications at him. Does that mean that they themselves would be tempted by a young child is they shared the same bed for a night??

Just my (once again)

Saturnine, you can definitely have my in that pot.
People can't make a full judgement of someone like Michael Jackson from one documentary, it's just so unbalanced, and it was clearly edited to put as much of a suspicious slant on him as possible for the ratings' sake.
Is it any wonder he's such a recluse when as soon as he does let someone make a programme like this he is immediately attacked by millions of bandwagon bandits?
I'm not saying he hasn't got issues, the man's clearly loony, and he's in such a position of power in his own life with all his millions of $$$ that there's no parent figure or anyone to actually say to him "Michael, you're not right in the head, you need to see someone.".
He's got enough money to live in his own little fantasy world and think it's real. I think it's just sad. He has so little comprehension of what the real world is like that the only people whose level he is close enough to to connect with are children.
All this aside, I wouldn't let my children stay over at his house, but that's because he's a 40 year old man, not because he's rich or loony or Michael Jackson.

Sorry, I spelt it wrong.
Here you go;

Speaking of "distasteful and immature", here are a few quotes from you, Saturnine:

“That is utter crap, and you know it.”

“I'm inclined *not* to believe/listen to Tabitca because of the opinion she is showing. Which to me, seems very ignorant. Not one of an educated person. But that is my opinion. Any moron can pass exams (no offence intended)...”

“I have exactly the same reactions from lesser people”

“Hasn't America seen it by now? I *really* feel sorry for him now. They have a tendancy to somewhat...overreact; do they not?”


Looks to me as if YOU are the one allowed to have an opinion that isn't 100% sympathetic and understanding. Everyone on earth should apparently feel sorry for MJ, but you can trash out your fellow researchers (indeed entire countries) at will.

Well, I've had quite enough, thanks. Just a bit of advice: don't ask a question if you don't want to know the answer. And don't beat people up for answering just because you don't agree with their point of view. Last I checked, freedom of thought was allowed and encouraged on this site.

Hmmm. Amusing.

I'm not trying to tell people what to think. I'm just expressing my opinion that I think that they are wrong, and I make a point of saying so. I certainly don't collect a negative opinion of a researcher through just one thread (although I might just change my policy for you my dear, if you're good), and I certainly try not to take things out of the thread. Anyone who knows me, knows that I am actually *the* most pro-American researcher on the site, without being from the US myself. Some Americans *do* have a tendency to overreact...and my opinion was proven by the US lawyer who has decided to press for investigations to be started against MJ.

If you don't like MJ, then fine. But communicate it in an adult manner, instead of pointing fingers like a two year old and screaming "EUUUUUUURGHHH"...that's my only qualm.

Other than that, I couldn't care less if you don't like the way I present myself in threads. As far as I can see, not that many people have a problem with me outside threads, and if you do, how would YOU like to modify MY behaviour to fit YOUR little world?

Fair enough, Saturnine. You disagree with me and my way of voicing my opinion, I disagree with you and yours. It's a safe bet that neither of us is likely to change the others' opinion, so how 'bout just agreeing to disagree and moving on?

In this case, that would seem to be the "adult" response.

Hey, I have no problem disagreeing with you. Just act like an adult... Pointing and staring and shouting insults is what you do when you haven't reached puberty...

Oh, and while we are on a peaceful note.

Bebel. Have you heard of an organisation called MenCap? They actively campaign for people NOT to use terms such as "loonie"...you wouldn't walk up to someone in a wheelchair and call them "cripple", or a black person "n****r" (etc etc) would you? It's just rude. Try not to do the same with people who are mentally afflicted as well

Saturnine, I don't think you are the person to tell people off for insulting others.

Are you 'mentally afflicted' yourself by the way? You seem to overreact to any mention of phychological illness. I mean, you can usually call something, or someone 'mad', or 'insane', without causing offence, but not when you're around it seems...

Ste

I thought it was very strange when Michael said all his music and dancing is inspired by children, I guess that includes the constant crutch grabbing then.

Oh and I know what it is like to be mentally imbalanced, I have been slagged off by Saturnine for the way I am as well! Apparently faith/spirituality/religion shouldn't dominate more than 1% (or it could have been 5%) of your life. She obviously felt it was okay to condemn the way I live my life, and she majorly condemned my faith as well. Oh and the comments about being bored in a thread about child abuse, when the thread was full of people who had been abused, who needed a place to speak, was just so understanding.

Sits back and waits for the arrogance and vitriol.

One word: megalomania. I'll leave you all to figure out what I'm referring to there.

meg•a•lo•ma•ni•a

Pronunciation: (meg"u-lO-mA'nE-u), [key] —n.
1. Psychiatry.a symptom of mental illness marked by delusions of greatness, wealth, etc.
2. an obsession with doing extravagant or grand things.

That's the definition from InfoPlease.com

Is there a "Peter Pan" syndrome?

Because if there isn't, there should be, it fits Michael perfectly.

Oh that is a good one! I always thought the syndrome name was mis-used in the adult male/female area it's usually a non-commital male.

Asexual is a much better use of the Peter Pan figure head.
M.J. IS a perfect Peter Pan. In fact they should cast him in that role! He would be brillant in it!

Shhhhh! Don't give him any ideas!

Ste - Sorry, I just think it's a little insulting to the general mental illness community to use words such as "loonie". Go see if MenCap has an organisation - it's a genuine movement to eliminate the useage of titles such as that. Maybe I am the only one on the site aware of it? "mad" and "insane" are usually terms not levelled at an individual...but there you go.

And hey, I know I'm a hypocrite. Doesn't lessen my points though.

Kaz - I still stand by my opinion. Persecution complex. Take it up with me elsewhere if you wish. T'was a while back though. My opinion and attitude may have changed since then...

Sorry. "has an organisation" is meant to be "has a website"...

Interesting double standard there Saturnine. Kaz posted a thread saying she belonged to a group that was being discriminated against in a specific way and asked people to visit a particular website to give their support. This you class as 'persecution complex'.

Another group which you perceive to be being discriminated against here, results, not in a 'persecution complex' but in a recommendation to go to a website to give support

Actually hypocrisy does tend to detract from your argument.