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Interesting persecution fact
Comrade Rumble Started conversation May 11, 2001
Hopefully no-one has mentioned this yet, but :
There is some fairly conclusive scientific (boo) evidence that the cause of the "bewitchments" in places like Salem which led to much of the persecution of witches was actually caused by a fungus called Ergot. When eaten this has similar properties to LSD and matches the symptons of "bewitchment" exactly. The conditions were just right in the affected parts of Salem for ergot to find it's way into the populaces diet.
Just an interesting fact (I think so anyway).
Interesting persecution fact
I'm not really here Posted May 11, 2001
There was a TV program on about it last night - Secrets of the Dead.
It seems likely that's what happened on the Mary Celeste as well. Hallucinations made them abandon ship.
Interesting persecution fact
soeasilyamused, or sea Posted May 13, 2001
wow, i never heard about that. actually, that's fascinating.
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Liossa Posted May 22, 2001
Yes, that is connnected to quiet a few 'witchhunts': and to several other strange occurances, particularly in colonial America. One of the earliest settlement Forts died out, literally, over one winter for little obvious reason, with people going mad, the society breaking down...again "LSD-wheat" is now being pinpointed as the cause.
As for other 'persecutions' of witches, it might be worth bearing in mind that more women were burned for heresy than witchcraft, and many of those burned for witches were in fact midwives, whose influence the new male-dominated medical profession wished to remove, and of course widows, prostitutes, unfaithful wives, no-longer-wanted wives, widows with property and those who just plain fell foul of the authorities in some way or another. When wiccans talk about 'the burning times' it really doesn't stand up to close inspection.
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Phryne- 'Best Suppurating Actress' Posted Aug 15, 2001
It happened again in 1958, in a French village. 4 died, many others left understandably traumatised. In the Middle Ages it was known as St Anthony's Fire and was quite common.
In England at least, 'witches' were not burned, at least alive. Usually they were strangled first. Burning alive was reserved for traitors (i.e. women who'd murdered their husbands, mainly.)
Interesting persecution fact
soeasilyamused, or sea Posted Aug 15, 2001
wow. that really blows my mind, to think that if they had grown their wheat differently, a lot of people might not have been burned...
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ZenMondo Posted Aug 16, 2001
If you wanna praise England for anything, how about them taking the anti-witchcraft laws off the books? Ofcourse they waited until the 1950's to do so...
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Phryne- 'Best Suppurating Actress' Posted Aug 16, 2001
Gone now, though!
(although they finally fell into disrepair and were generally ignored, replaced by Fraudulent Mediums Act or something which has a more amusing name.)
Worryingly, some MP suggested (early 60s, we're safe now) they should be returned to stop anyone under 18 becoming involved with 'occult' groups. The cynical part of me says if they were doing that, why don't they outlaw infant baptism on the grounds that neither know what they're getting into?
It was a Tory MP, of course.
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I'm not really here Posted Aug 17, 2001
If that had gone through that would have meant I was illegally teaching my child my religion! Makes me want to scream.
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BlueCrab Posted Apr 7, 2007
Not just similar to; LSD is made from ergot itself. Ergot grows on rye looking fairly similar to the rye itself so it would sometimes be missed, and entire families and towns would be affected. It affects the nervous system, causing extreme disorientation and fiery pain in the limbs.
Some modern painkillers are ergot derivatives - I was prescribed one of them, Fiurinal (sp?) when I had all my wisdom teeth out at once, and I hated it. Felt like I was in a nightmare for two days, it was horrible.
Some people are actively allergic to ergot derivatives, and experience horrible full-sense hallucinations. Rather like LSD, I suppose, with the screaming horrors thrown in.
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Interesting persecution fact
- 1: Comrade Rumble (May 11, 2001)
- 2: I'm not really here (May 11, 2001)
- 3: soeasilyamused, or sea (May 13, 2001)
- 4: Liossa (May 22, 2001)
- 5: Phryne- 'Best Suppurating Actress' (Aug 15, 2001)
- 6: soeasilyamused, or sea (Aug 15, 2001)
- 7: soeasilyamused, or sea (Aug 15, 2001)
- 8: ZenMondo (Aug 16, 2001)
- 9: Phryne- 'Best Suppurating Actress' (Aug 16, 2001)
- 10: soeasilyamused, or sea (Aug 17, 2001)
- 11: I'm not really here (Aug 17, 2001)
- 12: Floh Fortuneswell (Aug 17, 2001)
- 13: BlueCrab (Apr 7, 2007)
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