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Well, someone had to start it


Reading 'live' at the moment (just the text feed as the darned firewall doesn't want to let Real Media through

Is it me or is the BBC getting all the blame for the time being?

not just you. Hutton says the Govt did nowt wrong, the beeb was a mess The only thing left is if the MoD did enough after the name came out. ...
BCNU - Crescent

it certainly looks like the bbc are getting the blame

Star Fleet

Yup, Looks like the Government are completely innocent...

The MoD are innocent

and the BBC gets all the blame...

Why am I not convinced by this?

Just copied the report into an MS Word file and am now off to read it (all 344 pages of it on my computer! )

my natural paranoia is kicking too....
BCNU - Crescent

The MoD does cop some blame, I think. Specifically in relation to not telling Kelly that his name would come out, and not taking enough careof him once it did.

Most surprising to me was the finding that there was no underhand government strategy to name Dr Kelly. No underhand strategy? I'm sorry???? Certain seemed underhand to me! What exactly to do want to see before you say it's underhand?

I simply can't believe it. Makes the whole thing ring false in my ears.


Geggs

Oh, off to read. Mind you I did hear that the Sun had a headline something along the lines of 'huttton inquiry agrees with the sun' or something.

Next General Election we might just as well vote The Sun into government!

Well, whoever leaked them the report clearly thought they *were* the government, since that's basically the only people that should have had it at that point...

No, the BBC and the Kelly family also has copies.

Not that I'm accusing either of them of leaking it, you mind....


Geggs

The Guardian has a section about things that we've discovered and that WON'T be in the report. Alaister Campbell apparently kept control of himself during the enquiry by pricking his hands with a pin, and got spots of blood all over his papers.

Cripes.

Slightly too driven to make me feel entirely safe, that one.

So some would not be satisfied *unless* the government got the blame?
Why bother having an enquiry then if you don't want to listen to what the results are?
Its not as if various government figures weren't heavily grilled in public is it so I don't see how it can be called a cover up.

So the bbc chair of governors is off to pastures new. Hmm, that'll help.

As for believing the report, I dunno. I want to believe it is what it purports to be. But somehow, no matter what it said, I don;t think I'd ever have believed it fully. How much did we pay for it again?

Orcus - whilst I agree with what you're saying and I accept, that as the majority of my UK news coverage has been via the BBC and that thus might by some to be considered a little biaised... I'm still extremely surprised at the fact that 99.9% of the blame has been put at the door of the BBC - I have trouble reconciling what I saw and heard of the Hutton Enquiry with the outcome of the report... maybe that's partially due to an anti-blair biais on my part, but I really do doubt that the government were as innocent as the report makes them out to be (and I also consider the MoD were in line for a little more flak for the apparent lack of "Human Resource Management" as it's called nowadays!

Lurking

I think Hutton was asked such narrow questions that the whole report and his conclusions are largely worthless. The real issue is that (a) the government was certainly deceptive in its case for war, and even more certainly wrong (there are no WMD), (b) the BBC was broadly right that the government was deceptive, although their exact wording was wrong. So, although within the framework of the Hutton inquiry the Government was right and the BBC was wrong, this is a completely inaccurate picture of things in the larger framework of what is important.

Good summation, Dogster. I think the terms of reference were such that the outcome was inevitable.

Within the terms of reference, I think you have to accept the outcome: it's pretty clear that the BBC did goof in not checking Gilligan's stuff before backing him to the hilt and it's also pretty clear that Gilligan goofed in the first place.

Also that, given how nasty it got, Blair was fairly restrained in the Commons this afternoon and Howard looked like a complete a**e (if not worse).

BUT - the problem is letting Hutton somehow 'become' the enquiry into the war which it quite clearly wasn't. That enquiry hasn't happened yet, though it needs to (more power to Charlie Kennedy, for this at least).

Will it? Watch The Sun tomorrow. Back to t*ts and butlers.

<deepbreathsmiley)

Right here is my , the Hutton enquiry was never meant to be an enquiry about the War and its justification or otherwise... merely about whom was at fault for the debacle about Kelly.

What I would also say is those who are waiting for a full enquiry into the circumstances surrounding the was is... don't hold your breath. As it seems like such and enquiry could pose some pretty akward questions (and bearing in mind that both main parties supported the war) I cannot see either Blair or Howard really wanting that to happen... oh well thats what I think.

Whitewash predicted on;

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=34477

Quote;
"Brian Hutton is an establishment freemason, he ran the same military
tribunal hanging courts in Northern Ireland that are identical to camp X-ray! The Diplock courts, and he was chosen by blair and his advisors as the most expedient way out..."


Alji

More from 'The Rumor Mill News Reading Room' @

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=43684

Quote;
"Hutton has clearly stated here that &#8220;it could be said that the Government sexed-up the dossier&#8221;. This is a very, very serious statement and seems to be lost in the furore over the bias of the report. Why? Was the report biased so much against the BBC in order to deflect attention from the inescapable conclusion that Hutton himself has made, that the UK government did sex-up the final dossier?"


Alji