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Cheerful Dragon Posted Jun 22, 2010
IIRC, in the original series, male officers were 'Mister' (Sulu, Chekov et al.), female crew members were addressed by rank. So Uhura was addressed as Lieutenant, Rand was Yeoman. I'm not sure what they did in subsequent spin-offs, but the number of women with decent-sized roles was limited. I think they were all referred to by rank, too.
I agree, though. Mr. Saavik is just wrong. Makes me wonder if the character was originally meant to be male.
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Cheerful Dragon Posted Jun 22, 2010
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You mean Seven of Nine..."
I was originally going to put 'the number of women with decent-sized parts", but I knew somebody would get smutty over that. I hoped I could ward off the smut by saying 'roles' instead. I should have known better
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Mr. X ---> "Be excellent to each other. And party on, dudes!" Posted Jun 22, 2010
~*~I'm not sure what they did in subsequent spin-offs, but the number of women with decent-sized roles was limited.~*~
Every single one of the spin-offs had more female characters than TOS did. Case in point:
Original Series--Uhura. And, for all of two movies, Saavik.
Next Generation--Beverly Crusher, Deanna Troi, Doctor Pulaski, Ro Laren, (debatably) Tasha Yar.
Deep Space 9--Kira Nerys, Jadzia Dax, Ezri Dax, Kai Winn, Cassady Yates, The Female Changeling, (sometimes) Zial, (sometimes) Leeta.
Voyager--Captain Janeway, B'Elanna Torres, Kes, Seven of Nine.
Enterprise--Hoshi Sato and T'Pol.
~*~I agree, though. Mr. Saavik is just wrong. Makes me wonder if the character was originally meant to be male.~*~
That could be. But it doesn't forgive them, since **while they were filming** she obviously **wasn't.**
What does "IIRC" mean?
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jamie01 Posted Jun 22, 2010
People at supermarket checkouts who wait until their shopping is bagged before rooting around for wallets/purses to pay for their shopping, leaving people behind fuming at the inconsiderate buffoons who are holding everyone else up.
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Kerr_Avon - hunting stray apostrophes and gutting poorly parsed sentences Posted Jun 22, 2010
I'm pretty sure Saavik was never intended to be male - in an early version of the script for Star Trek III she was to be left behind on Vulcan because she was expecting Spock's child...
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Cheerful Dragon Posted Jun 22, 2010
"Every single one of the spin-offs had more female characters than TOS did. Case in point:
Original Series--Uhura. And, for all of two movies, Saavik.
Next Generation--Beverly Crusher, Deanna Troi, Doctor Pulaski, Ro Laren, (debatably) Tasha Yar.
Deep Space 9--Kira Nerys, Jadzia Dax, Ezri Dax, Kai Winn, Cassady Yates, The Female Changeling, (sometimes) Zial, (sometimes) Leeta.
Voyager--Captain Janeway, B'Elanna Torres, Kes, Seven of Nine.
Enterprise--Hoshi Sato and T'Pol."
Next Generation: Crusher and Pulaski were always addressed as Doctor, Deanna Troi as Counsellor, Ro Laren and Tasha Yar by their rank (Ensign, Lieutenant).
Deep Space 9: Kira and the two Daxes were referred to by their ranks. The others weren't Star Fleet/military, so the situation is different.
Voyager: Janeway and Torres were addressed by their ranks, Kes and Seven had no ranks.
Enterprise: Hoshi and T'Pol were addressed by their ranks, IIRC, although I think Captain Archer sometimes just called T'Pol by her name.
So, I rest my case. Female Star Fleet officers are generally addressed by rank and Mr. Saavik is just wrong.
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Cheerful Dragon Posted Jun 22, 2010
Oh, and you forgot Lieutenant Valeris in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. She was addressed by her rank, too.
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Pink Paisley Posted Jun 22, 2010
I can make a Klingon head using my interwoven fingers and holding them accross my forehead.
PP
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swl Posted Jun 23, 2010
How come, given the huge amount of empty space in atoms, it hurts so much when I bang my knee on things?
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KB Posted Jun 23, 2010
Cuz you're effectively smacking into a magic forcefield. Your electrons and theirs are both negative and push each other away, so it's like banging into an invisible brick wall.
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swl Posted Jun 23, 2010
Ah but... when you push two magnets together, the repelling force increases exponentially as the distance decreases. Why isn't my knee gently pushed away from the coffee table?
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ivor moulton Posted Jun 23, 2010
Maybe its like a surgeon you study for years to be called Doctor. The even longer to become a surgeon and be called mister again?
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winternights Posted Jun 23, 2010
Hmm…… it’s like getting old; when you’re young you don’t understand things. When you’re a teenager you really don’t give a damn. You start to make sense of it all only to find as you get older you forget it all.
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Malabarista - now with added pony Posted Jun 30, 2010
A petty hate that probably doesn't bother other people:
I really, really hate the sound of a heartbeat. I don't know why, but I just can't stand listening to it.
Why must so many film soundtracks use it to build tension? If it goes on for longer than a few seconds, I turn the sound off.
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