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GOD - Why did he disappear in a puff of logic??
Queeglesproggit - Keeper of the evil Thingite Avon Lady Army and Mary Poppins's bag of darkness.. Started conversation Oct 22, 2001
Hello, I'm trying to explain to a religious friend exactly why, logically, god can't exist, but I can't remember the full explanation leading up to '"Oh dear", said God, and disappeared in a puff of logic.'
Help purleeeeese!!
GOD - Why did he disappear in a puff of logic??
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Oct 22, 2001
God said, without faith I am nothing. But the Babelfish is a dead giveaway. It is so amazingly improbable that it could not have evolved by chance. It could only have been specially created by God, so it proves that God must exist. So faith is no longer required. Without faith, God is nothing, so he vanished in a puff of logic.
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C Hawke Posted Oct 22, 2001
I have, (in fact my very 1st h2g2 post over 2 years ago) stated that in my opinion the Venus Fly trap is our Babel Fish as I cannot believe it evolved, as I cannot see an evolutionary benifit of leaves that close sort of slowly and therefore miss the fly, they had to be quick to have the advantage, no advantage in slow, therefore no evolution, therefore proof of god, therefore no proof. Puff.
C Hawke
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Mother of God, Empress of the Universe Posted Oct 22, 2001
He didn't exactly disappear, just had a facelift and changed his name to Science.
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Oct 22, 2001
while very funny, as an argument against God, its a pretty silly one. which doesnt hold very much water.
the fact is, one can neither prove nor disporve. arguments for and agaisnt all having weeknesses which are critical. so lets have no more
GOD DOESNT EXIST YOU MORONS... ta
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Mund Posted Oct 22, 2001
Twenty years or so ago, there was a play on BBC TV - "Edna the inebriate woman". One character was explaining a second to a third - "She's God. She was praying, and realised she was talking to herself."
GOD - Why did he disappear in a puff of logic??
Mother of God, Empress of the Universe Posted Oct 23, 2001
Solipsism.
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NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) Posted Oct 23, 2001
Syllogism.
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alji's Posted Oct 23, 2001
Every syllogism is a sequence of three propositions such that the first two imply the third, the conclusion. There are three basic types of syllogism: hypothetical, disjunctive, and categorical.
........................All M are P.
........................All S are M.
.....Therefore, All S are P.
is valid but
........................All M are P.
........................All M are S.
.....Therefore, All S are P.
is invalid e.g
........................All terriers are dogs.
........................All terriers are mammals.
.....Therefore, All mammals are dogs.
Fitting God into a valid formula is impossible.
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NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) Posted Oct 23, 2001
God point.
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NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) Posted Oct 23, 2001
That was a very serendipitous typo. I meant "good point", but I wasn't paying attention when I posted (I usually don't preview for short pots). Still, it came out almost as well, don't you think?
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NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) Posted Oct 23, 2001
That is, shot posts.
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NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) Posted Oct 23, 2001
@#$%!!!
One more time: SHORT POSTS.
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Looks okay.
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Good.
Okay? Okay. I'm going to bed now. Sleep deprivation is not a good thing to type with.
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alji's Posted Oct 23, 2001
Good Night. I need some sleep too. I've been awake 26 hours so I think it's time to say nos da.
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Xanatic Posted Oct 23, 2001
Can't we give Twinkle some sort of typo award for that? He made me laugh. We could call it the "Ocsar" or so
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Mund Posted Oct 23, 2001
"Fitting God into a valid formula is impossible."
I like a challenge. The construction below is the commonest and easiest - inclusion is comprehensible, but is it the only type of argument that can be analysed logically?
All M are P.
All S are M.
Therefore, All S are P.
All things exist.
God is a thing.
Therefore, God exists.
This is a valid formula. We can argue about the validity of the premises until the cows come home (having jumped over the moon).
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Zorpheus - I'm so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. Posted Oct 23, 2001
A unicorn is a thing, does it exist?
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Oct 23, 2001
yes...this one is a cul de sac...thanks to Bertrand Russel.
It does, however, NOT disprove God's existence, while not confirming it either
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Mund Posted Oct 23, 2001
I was just making the cheap debating point that it was possible to come up with a perfectly valid formula which included the word "God". The formula can be valid even while we argue about the truth or otherwise of the assertion that "God is a thing".
How about...
All words represent human realities.
"God" is a word.
Therefore, "God" represents human realities.
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Uncle Heavy [sic] Posted Oct 23, 2001
that is logically incorrect... when you say 'God' is a word, you mean 'the word God',
arg..its wrong on so many levels, all of which i should know for my univercity application and dont...
however, your first point is also incorrect. is God a thing? how do you know this? it is impossible to predicate God.
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GOD - Why did he disappear in a puff of logic??
- 1: Queeglesproggit - Keeper of the evil Thingite Avon Lady Army and Mary Poppins's bag of darkness.. (Oct 22, 2001)
- 2: Gnomon - time to move on (Oct 22, 2001)
- 3: C Hawke (Oct 22, 2001)
- 4: Mother of God, Empress of the Universe (Oct 22, 2001)
- 5: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Oct 22, 2001)
- 6: Mund (Oct 22, 2001)
- 7: Mother of God, Empress of the Universe (Oct 23, 2001)
- 8: NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) (Oct 23, 2001)
- 9: alji's (Oct 23, 2001)
- 10: NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) (Oct 23, 2001)
- 11: NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) (Oct 23, 2001)
- 12: NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) (Oct 23, 2001)
- 13: NMcCoy (attempting to standardize my username across the Internet. Formerly known as Twinkle.) (Oct 23, 2001)
- 14: alji's (Oct 23, 2001)
- 15: Xanatic (Oct 23, 2001)
- 16: Mund (Oct 23, 2001)
- 17: Zorpheus - I'm so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. (Oct 23, 2001)
- 18: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Oct 23, 2001)
- 19: Mund (Oct 23, 2001)
- 20: Uncle Heavy [sic] (Oct 23, 2001)
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