h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

sef

u always know who awol is, n for the less brain celled ones he always admits who he is anyway
once again theyre wrong eh?
just like they was when i was accused of bein him lol quite amusin as it was already said by us wonder how long it takes em to think i am him just cos i talk to vamp
when will they just quit n go about their own business like normal ppl??

Jimster h2g2
Re: post 1806

'swissburger, as your account was only created on Friday, whether or not any of my comments are addressing you largely depends on whether or not your a Researcher banned for being abusive to members of the community, who's repeatedly created new accounts over the last few months and wasted the time of the in-house staff, preventing them from addressing deserving issues such as this one. Doesnt it'?

are you this suspiscious of all new researchers? you dont want to frighten newbies before they even get their foot in the door, reading this from 1 of the 'topnobs' might well put anyone off this site..or as his comments towards h2g2 in general was negative did you just go on the attack despite the fact, (he makes no secret of who he is anyway), Awol feels his 'life ban' was a set up by some staff and some aces, his showing of the door by this site was by appearances underhand and not strictly done in the way house rules would dictate..or perhaps im wrong in that assumption?

i do think its a little unfair accusing him of wasting the time of in-house staff when we all know there are some aces who have personally made it part of their ace duties out of choice not because its states anywhere in the house rules you should follow newbies around or stalk researchers because they know them so to say hes wasting staff time seems silly to me

how could anyone of prevented the in-house staff from addressing deserving issues such as this '1'?
did you not yourself state that you had told the aces to stay out of this thread? and did you also not yourself state that you would be looking at this thread in the new year? this suggests you and Natalie and any other nameless topdog wouldnt be bothering with it until january so anyone posting in here could hardly be wasting your precious time or any other in-house staff, could they?!

incidently Jimster it is now the New Year.........

its very quite in here, perhaps when you have time you might get round to granting some of the people in this thread with an audience and addressing some of the serious inside problems on this site and raised on this thread now?

A few points I'd like to reply to there...


> Awol feels his 'life ban' was a set up by some staff and some aces

I am an ACE, and I assure you that the ACEs were *not involved* any more than any other community member[1]. By the way, it doesn't matter what AWOL feels. He doesn't have to accept the ban to be banned.


> his showing of the door by this site was by appearances underhand and not strictly done in the way house rules would dictate..or perhaps im wrong in that assumption

You're wrong in that assumption. The full Transgressions Procedure was carried out. Details here: <./>HouseRules-Transgressions</.>.


> i do think its a little unfair accusing him of wasting the time of in-house staff

Err... this has nothing to do with the ACEs, who aren't the in-house staff. The point that I believe that Jimster was not-unfairly making is that it wastes some of the staff's time to chase up and ban new accounts of banned researchers, which they have to do to make the ban carry any stigma.


Rho

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[1] This includes not being notified onsite or offsite that the Transgressions Procedure was taking place.

> did you not yourself state that you had told the aces to stay out of this thread

Oh, and this was a recommendation, which I'm right now ignoring.

Rho

Jimster h2g2
re: post 1817

(to Jab)..'its not exclusively 'your' conversation, its just one you've subscribed to, so it helps if you dont assume every comment is directed at yourself and take it so personally when that just isnt the case'

the same could be said about Vicky Virago (previous posts), to wrongly assume and then move in your own personal appreciation society is a complete waste of a thread, not to mention the fact that because an ace pal knew of her 'he' also engaged in a mobbing and made the whole situation worse because of a misunderstanding! if your going to point out 1 researcher on this thread who's getting up your nose, (who if you have been following all their posts does seem to know what he was talking about because he pointed something out about an issue he has in this - a relevant thread), then kindly point out the same to the time wasters and the 'people' (you know who they are), who have deliberately entered this thread to make stupid worthless comments or to deliberately steer the thread from the TRUTH or defend pals because of who they are and not what they have done, that would be a good start in taking this thread seriously, dont you think?

'can we just drop the 'line of questioning' or take it elsewhere'?

did he not suggest if you preferred to take it elsewhere anyway? if you as you have previously stated do intend looking over this thread 'with a fine toothcomb' i hope you will be reading everything as if your not then its pointless addressing you with these issues, maybe there is somebody higher than yourself that could/should deal with this and has the time? that is if your too busy?

rho

as vamp has stated clearly many times b4, she is not referring to all aces n never has mentioned names
as i said to intern b4, u can only speak for urself, not other aces

LocalisedGirl,

I *am* only speaking for myself.


> I am an ACE, and I assure you that the ACEs were *not involved* any more than any other community member[1]. By the way, it doesn't matter what AWOL feels. He doesn't have to accept the ban to be banned.

Nowhere here do I speak for other ACEs. I am merely stating facts - that nowhere on- or off-site were the ACEs notified about the Transgression Procedure, let alone asked to comment in a particular way.


> You're wrong in that assumption. The full Transgressions Procedure was carried out. Details here: HouseRules-Transgressions.

The ACEs aren't even mentioned in this part of the post.


> Err... this has nothing to do with the ACEs, who aren't the in-house staff. The point that I believe that Jimster was not-unfairly making is that it wastes some of the staff's time to chase up and ban new accounts of banned researchers, which they have to do to make the ban carry any stigma.

If anything, I'm trying to see things from a staff member's point of view here - I'm not speaking on behalf of the ACEs.


> Oh, and this was a recommendation, which I'm right now ignoring.

Nope, nothing on behalf of the ACEs there either.


Rho

Hi am i welcome inem in here? lol

Rho post 1843:

"I assure you that the ACEs were *not involved* any more than any other community member" + "This includes not being notified onsite or offsite that the Transgressions Procedure was taking place."

There you *are* speaking for the ACEs. While subscribed to the relevant places and reliably getting posts, you *can* be sure that there was no general group announcement. However, you can't know what may have been passed between any staff and ACEs in separate email.

Of course there may not have been any such communication but the arrival of a particular negative group on the banning page suggests there was - just as presumably AWOL emailed his friends. The obvious mechanism would be any persons consistently stalking/yikesing or whatever AWOL being more aware that some further action (transgressions procedure) was taking place and looking for it and then sharing via email if not actually told officially. I came across the page by accident when it was already days old (and I do get around quite a bit) but others had been there almost immediately(?).

Jimster h2g2
re: post 1820

this thread has gone off in all directions, but generally the code of conduct has not been adhered to, not just by aces but by staff and researchers too, my main issue is you (yes i know you keep saying youve only just took over, when i say you i mean staff and aces but since you are now in the directors seat so to speak im addressing you but not meaning just you), appear to be overlooking the behaviour of some people on this site and quite frankly its not good enough..if i have to follow the rules so does everyone else so i would suggest the 1st thing you look into is what the rules state and you make it clear regardless of who's a pal/pet of so and so's, we all stick to them, and they are not interpreted anyway a member of staff or aces sees fit depending on the situation or who's got up there nose today..the phrase 'we are all human' has become very tiresome in this thread and is not an excuse for anyone to behave how they like with individuals, then put it down to having a bad day and have all their pals rally round and attack other individuals cos of their whining or sympathy seeking..how can you expect anyone to take the rules seriously when staff and aces are not leading by example? no more excuses either make absolute sure the rules are understood AND followed by all or get rid of the rules and start over!

'we need to focus on the bigger picture here for a bit'

perhaps now aces/staff/ex staff on the defensive arent in the thread you can?

you have said again if someone has personal issues with aces (or whoever) dont post it here..where would you like us to post them Jimster? apart from a couple of emails before Christmas (regarding some trigger happy yikeser, it was put back as i broke no rule and something somebody objected to in my journal - lyrics, stupid rule anyway), h2g2 ignore my mail though i dont believe ive ever been rude, direct maybe, or annoyed but not rude..is there another part of this site i/others should be with regard to these issues? i started this thread, i believed i was at the right place, despite the fact there are now more issues and with staff aswell makes no difference to me, this thread seems a good a place as any to address them and have other people comment on them, they can see it here

'we are not going to conduct an inquisition regarding individual aces behaviour here'

but will people be held accountable for abusing their title/the rules regardless of who their pals are? yes or no?? if not here, where?

'to argue the t*** about post 16787676? this isnt the room for an argument. thats next door'

you say you are taking the issues seriously, this being an example?
i starred out your word cos lets face it id have my post yikesed for saying it, but thats just 1 example of many double standards on h2g2

V.. you can type for england cant ya? lol

> There you *are* speaking for the ACEs. While subscribed to the relevant places and reliably getting posts, you *can* be sure that there was no general group announcement. However, you can't know what may have been passed between any staff and ACEs in separate email.

If that was the case, it would not be the ACEs as a group that were alerted, but a group of h2g2 researchers, some or all of which may have happened to be ACEs. All I can say is that I haven't seen any evidence for such an announcement, and I very much hope that it didn't happen, as it would be entirely against the spirit of the Transgressions Procedure.


> Of course there may not have been any such communication but the arrival of a particular negative group on the banning page suggests there was - just as presumably AWOL emailed his friends. The obvious mechanism would be any persons consistently stalking/yikesing or whatever AWOL being more aware that some further action (transgressions procedure) was taking place and looking for it and then sharing via email if not actually told officially. I came across the page by accident when it was already days old (and I do get around quite a bit) but others had been there almost immediately(?).

The most likely mechanism that I can think of - if there was one - is that one person (not a staff member) announced it to other people, but not the ACEs.

I, myself, found the page by accident soon after its creation as well, as I was searching for another of the Lifetime Ban pages. However, I didn't post to anybody else about the page, onsite or offsite.

Rho

OK ok i get the picture, ill talk to myself....
Hello Scott how are you?

Im good thanks just bored need someone to TALK too

rho

but u r sayin the aces werent this n that

u can say u wasnt involved etc but how u know hwat they did?

Localised,,, i left you a msa msg babe, called *Hi babe its Scott"

> u can say u wasnt involved etc but how u know hwat they did?

Because I can see everything the ACEs can see. If one or more other ACEs mentioned it in an obscure forum or in a private email to their friend, who happened to be an ACE, this is not the ACEs being told about it; that is one Researcher telling their friend about it.

Rho

The Works Cat
re: post 1835

'somebody should get their facts right'

perhaps if some got their facts right in the 1st place before jumping in with biased opinions for 1 reason or another this thread wouldnt of started..but its hard for some people to admit they are wrong, and harder still to speak out against whats right, some prefer to just go with the flow rather than say to a pal actually perhaps it is you thats wrong and have flack from other pals who despite the fact this is just another site online, feel the need to take sides of trivial things that get out of all proportion

unfortunately you are just another victim of somebody who along with some of their pals has it would appear made a hobby out of looking for Awol on this site or stalking his friends PS! sad but they seem to think in their own little way that they are providing a service however misguided they might be and despite the fact you type nothing like him, too bad they dont apply brains when on duty

i would imagine with the 100's of times they have actually barred the real Awol whatever you had put on your page was clearly not put like him, (if your post is anything to go by), more than likely down to the wording of who made the complaint (another issue in this thread), perhaps you are guilty by association?

VAMPY


WHOS TALKING ABOUT AWOL????

The Works Cat
re: post 1839

what not even an appology??
figures, that would appear to be the attitude onsite when mistakes are made too