h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

i was thinking about the idea of how the big bang accured, wat might have made such a thing to happen and were would it have gotten the resorces?

the thing about noah and adam and eve, is now days if we breed brother and sister together, may it be human or animal, they have a few defects in the person, but if we r all family to start with this shouldnt happen. any one care to give me a reason, relioges or scientific.

Aliens might not be able to wipe our memory totaly clean, they may have created devices to clear there own species memory clean but we probably have a differnt type of brain than them so they would try their technology and maybe might not know that it didnt work fully so they would keep on doing it, this might also leave them with only some memories

"the thing about noah and adam and eve, is now days if we breed brother and sister together, may it be human or animal, they have a few defects in the person, but if we r all family to start with this shouldnt happen. any one care to give me a reason, relioges or scientific."

Genes are agents of stability rather than change, so inbreeding may well lead to the preservation of defects which would otherwise be eliminated. Through natural selection, "defects" will be reduced as time goes on if there are different gene pools to combine.

So your question comes to, how can different gene pools exist in the first place if we are all from the same family?

The answer is that if we all came from the same family, nevertheless (rare) genetic mutations will still occur fom time to time. Being "superior" in the survival sense new genes will become more common; and the more time elapses and the more combinations of subtley-changed genes occur, the more genetic variety exists.

Or something like that.

Bod

I have found the Sura.
It is 6:60.
It is he who doth take your souls by night, and hath knowledge of all that ye have done by day: by day doth he raise you up again; then a term appointed by fulfilled; in the end unto him will be your return; then he will show you the truth of all that ye did.

To summerise:

As the rest of his creation is subject to his law and plan, so is every man's life (man's here is referring to man kind i.e. male and female) in every perticular and at every moment, awake or asleep. The mystery of sleep (the twin brother of death) is called the taking of the soul by him, with the record of all we have done in our waking moments. This record some times appears to us as confused glimpses in dreams. By day we awaken to our activities , and so we goes on till we full fill out time here and die. Which is the other sleep (death), which has a longer record of our life; and at the end is the resurrection and judgement. This is where we will see all clearly and not as in dreams, for that is the final reality.

As a side not there are three types of dreams and they are:
1) Dreams given to us by Allah
2) Dreams from shaytan
3) Dreams about what we did in the day or in the past this is the ones refurred to in the above.

Also as a extra in the Qurn it says it is not the eyes that are blind but the mind. I think it was reffering to faith and science rather than visual but hey who knows as it told to a blind man who wanted to become a Muslim by the Prophet (pbuh).

I'm going away for a few days as it is my nans birthday. Speak to you all when I get back.

Allah hafiz

Adib

"I've heard the same theory about the garden of Eden, that is was a pleasant area that people were exiled from."

Indeed, Adam and Eve apparently lived in a paradise of plenty, until they discovered that they were naked and were exiled.

A parable re excessive population growth leading to the degradation of the environment?

Bod

what is so bad with nudity? why did we decide that we should hide that part of our body?

"what is so bad with nudity?"

Depends on who's being nude

"2) Dreams from shaytan"
I'm assuming that shaytan is a negative force also known as satan , devil whatever.

so
If Allah takes you to him in sleep, how does Shaytan get to give you dreams also?

'Depends on who's being nude'

Or rather, does it depend on why they are being NOT nude. I always thought that part of the story was to caution us from denying reality, i.e., we are nude but society deems it improper, therefore cover yourself. If we did everything that society told us was ok, the list of things that are acceptable would expand gradually to encompass all types of unhealthy behavior. I guess clothing would be the most noticable change that a naked person could make, and since this was such an outward sign, it was easy for God to pick up on the change.

Children don't know anything about not wearing stripes with plaids, and so are very happy waiting for the school bus dressed in Hawaiian shirts and army boots in front of the entire world. Later in life they will look back at a photo and become uncomfortable at the way they were dressed, but didn't have a care in the world at the time.

The happy garden filled with plenty was the world of the hunter-gatherer, who only had to work 3-4 days a week and never suffered shortages (see "A Green History of the World", Clive Ponting).

Knowledge of how to cultivate crops and herd cattle made man equal with God, and also landed him with a 6-day week subject to catastrophic harvests and necessitating varous changes to the social and sexual norms.

Man is still not sure it was worth it.

And, now our science can show us exactly how screwed up we are physically, and we still live 3 score and ten

There's nothing at all wrong with nudity. I'm a naturist and I think wearing clothes for swimming and sunbathing is pretty stupid.

Isn't there a saying that clothes maketh the man and therefor nudity would be the great equaliser?
surely those corporate giants and politicians and religious leaders aren't going to allow that

Adib -
Yes the bible says the whole world was flooded, and the quran says differently. There is also a flood myth (I will explain my use of the word myth in a moment) in Hinduism, chinese mythology, and many other religions/faiths.

Theory no 1. An area of land in mesopotania, about 50miles wide I think, was flooded in something like 1500 BCE. Abraham was part of the settlement that came in after that, then left for Israel afterwards and so the myth spread there (myth is the term I use because all must be myth until proven outright). The Dravidians and Indus Valley civilisation took it to India, where it is taken to form part of the Vedas (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, some things I'm hazy about, my brain is very muddlesome). I don't know if it spread to China or if there was another flood there. There is the legend of Gilganesh, very like that of Noah, but unsure as to which religion it came from. Certainly one derived from the mesopotanians.

Theory no. 2. Flood is a basis for all destruction - its a sign of cleansing.

Sorry everyone, little behind the times on that last post! I've caught up now!

Adib, is everything in the Quran literally true?

Hass - politicians wouldn't like that. Neither would I (fighting back mental image of a naked house of commons) Thankyou for the nightmares and years of future therapy...

The Mesopotamian flood, as evidenced by the thick silt deposit found by Woolley at Ur is at least 2500 BCE. The Indus Valley civilisation is probably a millenium older again. Ask Alji (Where IS Alji, BTW, haven't heard from him in a while.)

Noggin

Hasslefree, I met a woman about 7 years back, who had precognitive dreams all the time, and we discussed dream journals. But this is something I had never wanted to do, because I have always been prone to nightmares - I later learned *all* children have 70% more nightmares than adults do! I wonder why? Maybe in children, the dreaming, wandering soul is more likely to get lost, and become frightened.
My theory is that one third of dreams involve 'GI/GO', just processing the day's events, one third involve weirdness and the remaining third involves *real* contact with beings - angels, devils, people, aliens and/or God - maybe! So, Adib, I don't think it's right that we go to Allah *every* night!

i'd like to throw this into one "almighty" thread and respond to some things that i've noticed. by the time i actually post this i suspect i'll be another 300 posts behind...

Here goes...

to all those who quote the bible: i've read it twice. i would ask you to realize what it is in and of itself. You will NOT find religion in it because it is merely an expression of that "divine" feeling we all feel and lack the words to express it... i would also ask why you would put your faith/belief structure into/onto the words and expressions of hundreds of years old dead poets when, if you so choose to, you could just as easily, it seems, believe the words of your fellow living humans???

...Diversity, in response to your post 4655; are we right or trying to convince ourselves we're right?

...i think all these "mad" postings have a deeper meaning than just trying to find "God."....(mad=good) =)...i can't remember who said it, but the most basic of human needs is the need to be understood. i think Hasselfree would agree with me there!...it also saddens me that Hassel reached out and tried to make sense of her situation and was brutally rebuffed by people shooting her opinions down and belittling her by not validating what she had to say...(Hassel, if you are a guy, i apologize!, from your postings i gathered not)
...in that context i would ask all who post here to please be a little more respectful of others opinions as it seems that none of us has a "valid" opinion unless we're quoting someone else whose "credentials" add credit to what it is we're trying to say. i've heard a lot of quoting from this site, and i don't need to! if Einstein, Russell, Kant, Hawking said something, that's great!, but i would rather hear what YOU think!(all researchers). to answer your question Diversity, i think that as people we're not given a whole lot of credit where our opinions are due unless we can back it up with other "credible" info... we're still just trying to be understood. if you're truly philosophical, then there can be no absolute truth and all we're doing is looking under the bed for goblins.

...(whew!)...

with that said. in the true spirit of this post i will leave you all with a quote from the extremely chauvenistic Confuscious:

1)...not yet knowing how to live, why should i think about death?

2)...not yet knowing how to treat my neighbor which i can see, why should i think of spirits that i cannot see?

...i wish you all love and internal happiness...i'll be checking in on you from time to time...i expect you'll have a nice and toasty cheese sandwich waiting for me! (tink, tink)

oops! "quotes!"...damn! i knew i should've proof read!

sorry ALL!

smileys!

Hi Wurfle.
I suppose that we are all unsure of our own feelings too, which brings us to Diversitys' question, are we all trying to discover if what we think is right.
I got a bit snippy because someone asked me to back up a theory about mind and brain being separate and when I gave a link , nobody responded.
But being snippy got me an explanation and so I apologise to Toxx .
There are more things on heaven and earth....
I suppose also through these words back and fourth I am trying to make sense of my own experience, waiting for the day when somebody does say " I understand" and I found it in that program on BB2.
Forgive me my enthusiasms for finding validation elsewhere.
I was excited at the prospect of saying 'look here' science also has a reason that feels like mine. Of course no one else would feel that way.
As for Confuscious, it's sometimes just a matter that another person has been able to state something more eloquently that we use their words.
What is the smiley for that ?

Oh yes I'm female, you were correct. One of the few (Hello Della) who write to this conversation regularly.