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I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
hasselfree Posted Jan 28, 2003
Isn't there a bit of incestruous unmarried hanky panky in the OT
and some hand maidens having babies for elderly couples?
The result being he who cries in the wildneress ....Ismael?
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Jordan Posted Jan 28, 2003
YES! SOMEONE ELSE POSTS AT LAST!!!
[Stands up] Yes, I recall that Ismael was had to a 'handmaiden,' as you call it... I'll have a look tonight at that, 'cause I no longer feel fit to argue much. Notice the distinct lack of argument and the excesses of silliness.
- Jordan
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
toxxin - ¡umop apisdn w,I 'aw dlaH Posted Jan 28, 2003
Fall for it! I just got hacked off by your persistent failure to explain what you meant. OK, I fell for the fact that you said something without meaning anything. But then, most of us don't expect quite such inimaginative dimness.
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
hasselfree Posted Jan 28, 2003
While you're there look up Abraham too. I think he had some sisterin laws in tow although he was actually married to Miriam ????
I think there's likely to be more too.
Seems that biblical 'adultary' is 'fine' if you're childless. ???
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Mike OShea Posted Jan 28, 2003
Wow! What a collection of unthinking, regurgitated attitudes!
Questions about the existence of God, the nature of evil (why a good God, if He exists, should permit such evil), who is Jesus etc. are usually asked during pub talk, rarely seriously queried in sobriety - despite their importance.
This is an extract from the first page of my home-brewed website:
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FIRST THOUGHTS
Life is mysterious, fascinating, pleasurable - occasionally joyful - but also dangerous, painful, heartbreaking .... and it leads to death!
I can’t think of anything more important, more vital, to think about, to ask questions about - to get answers!
I have been thinking and asking questions for the past forty years or so. (I didn’t start until circa age 24! A late beginner!). There's a lot I still don’t understand, but I am consoled by the thought that those who think they understand everything are certainly guilty of exaggeration, and are perhaps, temporarily at least, obsessively insane (......a god-complex?)
On the other hand anyone who refuses to think and ask questions about his/her life, and the certainty of death, is likely to be either congenitally defective (deserving of compassion) or to have a closed mind, distrusting reason and fearful of truth (a self-made moron?) - possibly accepting as a matter of fact that questions about life and death cannot be answered - or is perhaps someone who is just plain lazy - or exclusively engaged in pursuit of passing pleasures and interests: marihuana? money? alcohol? sex? power? butterflies?
MY VIEW IS THAT IF I CAN ASK A REASONABLE QUESTION I EXPECT TO RECEIVE A REASONABLE ANSWER..... perhaps not immediately - for search and discovery takes time - but certainly in due course. The fact that my personal mental powers are restricted, that I am quite often puzzled and distraught - that I am a limited, defective human being - does not detract from my capacity to perceive and understand truth, even in a limited fashion - and if I ignore truth and reason and understanding I court unreason, delusion and self-destruction: insanity, in fact! Not for me! Hopefully!"
______________________________________________________________________
Should anyone wish to examine my approach further please go to http://www.o2c.org/theology.htm - or you can go to http://www.o2c.org and then click on theology.
Feedback is welcome, here or via email [email protected]
Many thanks for your attention.
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Rik Bailey Posted Jan 28, 2003
Ok.
Im back in this account know.
Adib
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Jordan Posted Jan 28, 2003
No, I don't think there's a copyright on 'unimaginative dimness'...
Did I say something wrong, toxx? I don't remember this turning into a flaming match! Or am I just being silly and taking you too seriously?
- Jordan
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Matholwch - Brythonic Tribal Polytheist Posted Jan 28, 2003
Hi Mike .
"Wow! What a collection of unthinking, regurgitated attitudes!"
I see that you have taken the time to take a representative sample of the 4400 posts on this subject. And that you have carefully considered the viewpoints of the atheists, agnostics, buddhists, hindus, moslems, wiccans, druids and christians that have contributed to what has been an ongoing and lively debate.
Thank you for your critique. Now perhaps if you will re-approach the forum with the same courtesy and respect its members will show you we can continue.
Only a couple of the regulars here believe that they have a serious grip on the meaning of life, the universe and everything (and I am not one of them by a long chalk). Most are here to temper their wide variety of viewpoints, wisdom and experience in the white hot forge of open debate.
I see from your quote, and your most entertaining website, that you seem to despair of all the "lazy" ones out there. Those who do not question the nature of life and reality. Well you should be right at home here .
So welcome home Mike. We look forward to your reasoned and intelligent additions to our wide-ranging debate.
Blessings,
Matholwch the Apostate /|\.
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Jordan Posted Jan 28, 2003
Don't worry, I'm the only one here who has any grip on things.
...
Hey, why are y'all looking at me like that?
- Jordan
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
hasselfree Posted Jan 28, 2003
Mike
"Wow! What a collection of unthinking, regurgitated attitudes!"
you've actually read and absorbed all 3000 and some posts/
Wow
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
hasselfree Posted Jan 28, 2003
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Jan 28, 2003
Hasslefree, I have heard that all people who have N.D.E.s, come back believing in reincarnation! Was this true of you, or did you already believe in it? I have become a believer in reincarnation, while still being a Christian, and I think I have hints of past-life memory - sometimes. Interesting!
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Kirpster Posted Jan 28, 2003
I didn't say it couldn't be! I was replying to those who said that God was complete fiction. I did try to tailor what I said to both, but unfortunately I'm not that intelligent! I do try.
I fully believe that Jesus was alive, and that he did all the bible says. Many things have been proven. However, some aspects I think may have been added to make it more symbolic. Some of the birth is reminiscent of Moses. All the books in the bible have differing accounts, for instance I think it was Matthew who foccused more on tailoring it for the Gentiles. However, the flip side to that is the same as for the inaccuracy of eyewitness testimony - many people see things from a different angle, both physically and spiritually. I wold like to read the ommitted parts, as some were lost or simply removed. The fact that I said that it was symbolic is because nowadays for many people, it can have no bearing on there lives. Old fashioned values. People will argue that it doesn't cater for todays technology, but it doesn't have to. If someone slaps your right cheek, the bible says that you should offer him your left. You wouldn't really do that, but you could walk away, forgive and forget, and not provoke a fight. Its about setting an example without putting yourself on a pedestal.
You know what? I have put into words today stuff that I've never admitted to my friends or family. This site is mad! I love it!
Anyway...
Lets flip it again. Do you think the creation story could be literal?
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Kirpster Posted Jan 28, 2003
Hi Mike!
Just like to add to your side
Gautama the Buddha said something along the lines of if someone shoots an arrow into your eye in a war, you don't stop and ask who shot it, what colour they are, if they have blue eyes, what specific tribe they're from. You just remove it, and fix it etc. We spend time speculating, but maybe, the question should be
Is the hand that lit the flame just going to allow it to burn out? Are they going to allow us, as humans, to stamp it out?
Wow, that was deep. Its way too late in the evening for such deep thoughts!
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Jan 28, 2003
Mike, I had a look at your site - It's *great*! Well designed, (though my son is more the expert on such things) and the content is good too, I'll have another look later..
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Jan 28, 2003
Hi, Kirp - I've skipped a lot, so I am not familiar with your general attitudes, but I have to reply to what you say about the creation story. I my view, it's metaphorical, *not* literal, and people who take it literally, - well, I am sure you're well familiar with all the angst that causes!
I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction
Ste Posted Jan 28, 2003
Hey Kirp!
Welcome to h2g2. It's a great place isn't it?
Do you realise that people (including me, in a sec!) have left messages at your personal space? That's the place where it's all about you, and people can pop by and say whatever they want, and it looks like people already have.
Cheers
Ste
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