h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Hello its me Adib. Im using a different Pc and it would not let me enter my account. So here I am back to bug you a little joke.
First things first. I should have said this a long time ago. Male circumsition is not compulsionary in Islam it is just preferred.

In Islam you are not allowed to have sex until you are married and then you can only have sex with your marriage partner.
Thats one way to stop spreading disease.

As for your thing about people killing on susspected charges of adultery etc.

Not Islamic. If there is no proof then there is no punishment.

Adib

Jordan
Yes there are sex addicts and this indicts a problem as does chemical addiction.
Not everyone has the problem, so any conclusion here isn't based on the 'norm'.
I'd go as far as to say that masterbation is normal and shooting heroin isn't.

"As for your thing about people killing on susspected charges of adultery etc.

Not Islamic. If there is no proof then there is no punishment."

Neither is it Christian.

What if there is proof? Does proof of adultary justify the death penalty and if so who does the justifying?
It's a simple question.

I never said it wasn't /normal/!

- Jordan

Thing is, Adib, the only incontrovertible proof of having sex is pregnancy. Hence only women can be proved to have offended, and only women will be put to death. That's Islamic, is it not?

Thing is, Adib, the only incontrovertible proof of having sex is pregnancy. Hence only women can be proved to have offended, and only women will be put to death. That's Islamic, is it not?

Jordan, you might recall that I am a psychologist and psychology is an empirical science. Would you please cite which experimenters did this research comparing masturbators v non-masturbators. Wherever did they find the latter for the control group?! What tests did they use to discover their relative willpower?

If I sound sceptical concerning the existence of any such psychological evidence, it's because I am.

I haven't posted here for three days !!!

Alji the Magus (don't forget to record your sun sign @ A712595 ) Pastor of the Church of Spiritual Humanism.

Fiction. If someone can give me hard scientific proof that evolution is some kind of cosmic joke i will immediately become a Christian. At the moment i'm an atheist/agnostic (can't remember what the two mean can someone fill me in please) who reckons that the bible is the best selling fantasy novel but no-one else has. This is not a slur on anyone that believes in the Bible, just my own opinion. Hey, one of my mates is Christian. I'm just sceptical that if theres some guy up there running things why does so much bad stuff happen?

Dragonlover

Hi Alji. Looks like you're just in time to respond to a response to message #l. Would that make it a metaresponse?

Hey Dragonlover - Tony Blair(e?) allegedly runs UK, but theres bad things here.
More usefully: Atheism = Without God; Agnostic = without (possibly secret) knowledge(of God) and is hence scepticism.

I'm in UK, and Tony Blair couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery. And i would say that i'm agnostic and atheist, cos i'm very sceptical about organised religion and don't actually believe in god either. Very odd. I do believe in reincarnation and the Trousers of Time though.

Dragonlover

Yo Dragonlover. How about the bra fastener of eternity?

I'm starting it in my latest procrastination attempt.

I actually came to a very different conclusion, but I can't seem to replicate it - though my initial reasoning, when repeated, /did/ lead to this one.

- Jordan

jordan
i know you didn't, but it seemed like you were basing a conclusion on likening the normality of one thing and the abnormality of another , drug addiction,

No belief in God but a believe in reincarnation
How does that work then?

I was basing it upon effects, that's all. For instance, one could compare cancers resulting from 'natural' cell mutation and those induced by smoking. (Bad example, but you get the picture!)

Tox, you sound sceptical that the latter /exists/. I assure you that it does - may I remind you that I myself am a member of this minority. And if you're looking for people who have a /choice/ in the matter, there are plenty of young men in our Church who do not masturbate for religious reasons.

Serial killers generally follow a cycle that begins with /fantasy/ before progressing to murder. Most young people begin by masturbating before they have sex. Moreover, witness that willpower improves by exercising it (look at smokers trying to quit). I'm pretty sure that /refusing/ to masturbate takes more willpower than giving in - it's almost a tautology.

And, on the earlier point about masturbation reducing temptation: well, eating chocolate satisfies my temptation. Isn't willpower the ability to /delay/ gratification?

Anyway, I haven't actually came to a conclusion about this. And even if I do, and it goes the way it seems to be going, is that really going to stop anyone? People aren't going to stop it just because it reduces self-discipline. I just happen to feel rather like we're told it's /natural/ because people don't want to stop - ignoring the fact that it's also 'natural' to want to commit rape. OK, this is swiftly going somewhere I'm not willing to go without some more substance, so I think I'll stop drawing further conclusions until some more thought's gone into it!

And if I sound a bit like a crazy brainwashed religious zealot and you feel like saying so (or become one when rounded to the nearest cliche) - I'd ask you to remember something that I occasionally forget: it's easier to attack something you disagree with than to consider it.

- Jordan

It seems to work for a considerable number of Buddhists, Hass!

Jordan. Once again I have to remind you that serial killers start on mother's milk or formula; just like the rest of us. It's no argument at all for a cause and effect relationship between the things mentioned!

OK, you have a source of non-masturbators. They'll just get more wet dreams instead, so what difference? I asked the question in the context of who did the psychological research that you hinted at.

I guess willpower is the ability to do that which you would prefer not to do. Still, I always recall the words of Oscar Wilde here: "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it."

Ok Hass - what did you believe in your earlier incarnation? that might help clarify where you are now.