h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Sorry but I'm Islamic so go and read the Quran and then say what you just said. On a lighter note hi I'm Adib I'm the resident Islamic dude so to speak. I would prefer that if we could prove gods existance you would become a muslim.

Adib

Nicely said Della on that one. In case any ones wondering I'm scrolling down the page and replying to messages as I come accross them. I may not believe in evolution as a Muslim but I respect that you do believe in it and maintain your faith. Its good to see that.
Dragonlover she's right you can't judge all christeans on the creationist ones that don't listen to science. Thats where the word fundamentalism actuaaly originated from for the record. The same as you can't condem a nation on the actions of a few. I to am a great lover of science fiction. Star wars is one of my favorute films and I have all the books. Plus a bit of star gate sg1 never does any harm.

Adib

Well, according to DNA, until we can find a babel fish, we can't disprove the existence of god, so therefore anything goes!

Interesting stuff, Shrillian. Logically, I guess you're perfectly correct. However, are you also suggesting that there is some causal role that a babel fish could have in proving/disproving the existence of God?

Hi Adib,

"Plus a bit of star gate sg1 never does any harm"

Fantastic! My favourite quote from a recent Channel 4 episode:

"Men such as you and I have only the comfort of those times we make a difference".

Re evolution, it's interesting to note that when the theory was proposed the Christian church said "Wow! You see how great God is? What a superb way to set up the development of life!" And the secular administration said "No way we're descended from apes!"

Also interesting to note that if Darwinian evolution is correct then we would expect the fossil evidence to show many examples of links between one species and another. But in fact what we get is huge jumps from one form of life to the next, more consistent with the Biblical creation story than with evolution. (Don't forget to interpret "days" of creation as "ages" of creation - "In my day" etc.)

Bod

I know i happen to be arguing with the evolutionist on creation vs evolution site which is fairly hard to do! have you read my entries on islam and science theres about six of them on different aspects of science just do a search in the search h2g2 thingy above

adib

Hi Adib,

" Islamic law gets very complicated with its rules but over all if there is no proof there is no punishment."

Can you tell me broadly what burden of proof is required for irreversible punishment?

Surely irreversible punishment is only acceptable in the case of certainty concerning a crime - beyond reasonable doubt is not enough and indeed across the world has been shown to lead to injustices where the accused is later shown to be innocent.

But for certainty we would require the testimony of at least two independent witnesses to the crime. And I doubt that many crimes are committed in the presence of at least two independent witnesses!

In that case I would doubt the practical efficiency and effectiveness of such rules - better to achieve the purposes of justice (cf posts 680 and 1420) by some other means such as incarceration (reversible) under a "beyond reasonable doubt" burden of proof.

Whadya think?

Bod

Thanks Adib - I'll have a look at your entries.

Bod

Sorry Adib - missed post 4038 on the first pass somehow!

Glad to see the burden of proof thing is as I would hope! Does that also apply to crimes such as theft etc?

Bod

Yes it does. Actually the removal of a hand is only done when some one repeatedly brakes and enters some where and steals stuff. Some one stealing from a market would not recieve this punishment for example. Again there has to be no question to it as in witnesses and or finger prints that show the accused to be guilty and it must be a repeat offence as in the third or more time they have done such a thing.

Adib

"And the morning and the evening were the first day"! Does that sound like an 'age' to you? There are plenty of links between species, but once a species has stabilised it hangs about for much longer than it took to develop, so there are more fossils representing that stage.

I do not wish to get in to a debate on evolution and creation on this entry.

Adib

Adib
I don't think you getting what I mean.
do you think that if a person is found guilty in the way you describe, they should suffer the loss of their life for this so called crime ?

Well Adib. Don't join in when it's mentioned. Simple.

Yes I do. You have grown up in the west and from a early age you have been subjected to advertisments that seem to be unable to sell a thing unless there is a pretty woman. You have also been bought up to think that having sex befor marriage is norm and should be done. But to what cost? What How many single moms are there out there. How many times has a man (or woman) based a relationship on sex and then as soon as a child is concieved the man runs for the hills. Or what about women who let them selfs get pregnant to force marriage or money. Why should a child be bought up with out a farther just because his her mom rent anh had sex befor marriage. How many familys have been torn apart by some one cheating on the other. How many men, women and children have commited suicide on the break up of there family due to some fling in life. Need I go on.
The fact is sex befor marriage destroys lives. Now note the difference here pleace if to people are not married and have sex then they get 50 lashes if one of them is married then that one is sentanced to death. If both are married then both are sentanced to death. The fact is if your married and go screwing around with other people then you are in effect saying you do not care about your family. I can not even imagine the idea of another man having sex with my future wife, it makes me feel sick.

Adib

If it makes you feel sick, Adib; you must be imagining it. Why contradict yourself?

Adib. Once again you have said that the death penalty is applied for 'playing away' by married persons. You told us there had to be several witnesses to penile intromission and no rape. Since that can't really happen, the penalty won't be applied will it. In that case it's no deterrent. Why contradict yourself?

Rape is different. I was referring to the standard man woman have willing sex with each other. Plus if there is say DNA evidence then no witnesses are needed.

Adib

No it makes me sick to even think of imagining it.

Adib