h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

"at least you're a thin person now"
this doesn't actually help at all, if anything makes me angrier becuase whatever my outward appearance I will *always* be a fat, uncomfortable, unhappy person on the inside.

I don't like knocking thin people for having not boobs or hips either, they may feel just as insecure about that as I do about my stomach.

I don't know what to do with all this rage.

Nuts. I don't mean I will always be fat and unhappy, but I will always be the person that felt that way.

Oohps sorry. I didn't mean to offend.

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*arrives in the new thread*

Too much angst in the library to talk, sorry...

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Oh, god... you haven't got a bunch of goths reading poetry in there have you?

Or English Ph.D. students deconstructing Sartre?

hello-it's the last day of term , happy bithday Ormy , went to an arabic restaurant last night, it was fantastic, really nice food, and my veggie friends could eat virtually everything-it was very very yummy and I share similar food tastes to the BF (which is good) I also managed to spend some time alone with him, as I hadn't in a while. My essay is handed in and i am a scarily efficient society secretary . Must have lunch .

Best thing that could happen to Sartre.

Incidently, did anyone see the report about Sartre's fag being airbrushed out of museum posters in France?

Just popping in mostly to ensure that should I actually find time to keep up with this thread and make comments I won't be hit with the cattle prod.

I was going to post something but I forgot what it was... feel a bit silly now.

Anyhoo, re-enactors market tomorrow... I'll be on the lookout for a black doublet and maybe a nice new belt.

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Shiney newness of thread

Kelli, I'm still in the unhappy fat person category, although I am dieting (for my wedding in December). I'm lucky that I work in a place with people who can't be bothered with the trivialities of appearance... Or, if they are, aren't bothered to my face...

No matter how much weight I lose I'm always going to know how it felt inside, though, like you.

I think I've just had some good news. Or it might be bad news.

I've rung up the Medical Staffing Department of the hospital I'll be working at in August, they're awfully nice and hopefully I'll be able to start on the rotation I want.

The bad news is that for four months of the year I'll be paid a bit less, the good news is that I'll only be working 48 hours a week for those four months! And she said I could have all the extra shifts I want if I need the cash.

Dratted meetings Keeping me away from the first LED much less the first post.

Oh Kelli .



I too am losing weight and getting a rather nice waist in the process, but I too will always be the fat kid who grew boobs at the age of ten and was teased mercilessly, and the dumpy woman who couldn't go to a family gathering without a well-meaning aunt intercepting her on her way to the cake table to 'have a little talk' about weight and eating (never mind the fact that that would be the first cake I'd eaten for three months, and never mind the fact I'm an adult.

I was thin as a teenager (thinness achieved by diet of one apple and three bits of toast a day, glandular fever, and an ovarian tumour the size of a grapefruit (in too much pain to eat). People wave photos at me saying 'what about this? You looked lovely!' Look closer, you and you'll see I'm white as a sheet, black under the eyes, unable to stand up straight and my hands look like bird claws. I think I have trouble losing weight because my poor body firmly believes thinness equals illness and pain as much as anything else. Who the hell is anyone to judge or make remarks about another person. People are NEVER fat because they are lazy and culpably stupid. They are often in pain, or unwell, or unhappy. Even in some cases because no one has ever taught them how food works and they simply do not know what else to eat. In other cases their metabolism is disordered or they have PCOS or diabetes or Insulin resistance (MUCH more common than people realise). And some evil little tosser thinks it's up to him (or her) to decide and judge? ARGH.



Ooh, dang, now I'm as cross as Kelli. The sort of mood where I daren't wash up in case I crush cups in my ferocious grip...

*takes several deep breaths*



That's better.

Did J'au-æmne just say she was getting married in December? Quite a club we've got going here!

Just as long as we don't all become smug-married and gush about how great it is at the single people...

*grumbles* if DH hadn't been running a virus check I might well have arrived on the first page ... and then I had to break off when I'd started, to go and eat dinner *grumbles*

Kelli, I understand your anger, but please be reassured that not everybody shares the same mindset. I would never make a connection between somebody's size and the meal they were eating, because *one* meal in isolation is fairly meaningless. If I saw somebody lunch on deep-fried mars bars every day for a month and they then tried to complain to me that they never seemed able to lose weight, well that might be a little different. But even then I'd probably only pass on my "eat more Ryvita" tip (the successful "no-cheese diet", which I developed a few years ago and saw me shed two stone, was based on cutting out a pound of cheese a week, which most people probably don't eat in the first place).

You challenged this man's behaviour, and that's a Good Thing. More people should be like you, so turn that anger into a proud crusade.

The trouble with taking a half hour break in the middle of writing a post is that I forget everything I meant to say. But I don't suppose it was that interesting anyway.

Mol

David, you may use the story if you want. The thing that amazed me was that she stood there and carefully worked out what the sign should say and wrote it out for me.

Kelli, I know how you feel about the fat comments. My weight has fluctuated dramatically up and down all my life. I'm the Ozark Liz Taylor. No matter how small I got, I always felt fat and self conscious. I nearly decided not to make the trip to England because I don't want any of you to see me this heavy. Then I decided that was silly.

There are two things naturally thin people don't realize about fat people. First, once the weight is gained, it takes very little extra calories to maintain the extra weight. That's what makes it so dang hard to lose weight. Which leads to the second thing - lots of fat people don't eat any more than naturally thin people do. We're more likely to eat less than they do. Partly because we're self-conscious about everything we put into our mouths.

I really think that the quality of our food is what is making us fat - not the quantity. And a sedentary lifestyle. And dehydration and eating at the wrong times. And lack of sleep. And stress. It's so much more complicated than calories in/calories out.

And we can do without the snotty, superior attitude of people who can eat 3000 calories a day and never gain an ounce. And without the blame game doctors and others use to make us feel like failures. Why should thin people be the only ones allowed to enjoy chocolate chip cookies or mashed potatoes?

Sorry. Got carried away. Again.