h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

The most popular 9/11 story that 911 was staged by the US goes as follows:

Four planes are hijacked by agents of a super secrect US agency. They take over the plane and in route three of the planes meet up with duplicate planes loaded with explosives. The transponders are turned off and these three planes fly on to the wtc and pentogon to fly into them. The fourth plane is shot down over pennsyvania to show the brave Americans fighting back and giving their lives for America.The planes then remotely controled fly into their targets. The world trade buildings also have underground demolition explosives ti aid in its destruction. Mean while the real planes are flown to a military base and the passangers murdered. The planes are destroyed.

Wella Dr. evil is in position to take over the world.

Such a story is believable I guess all it takes is thousands of people working covertly to kill thousands of other people of there own nation. With not one person coming forward. Like I said this seems to be the most popular but there are variations on this and others completely different.

Ant favorites?

Starbirth, knowing Empty Sky as I do, (and I do, by keyboard at least.) I *know* he doesn't hold the attitudes you ascribe to him. He would be horrified to know that you think such things of him!

>>, obviously you don't know Christians very well. Ever hear of the Crusades?" - how does that relate to the *fact* that capitol punishment is un-christian.<<
Absotively!
Capital punishment is extremely un-Christian and I say that as a Christian.

"Ant favorites?"

I don't care what ants think. Why should I?

"Such a story is believable I guess all it takes is thousands of people working covertly to kill thousands of other people of there own nation"

Starbirth, that particular story is a little far-fetched. For example, why replace the planes with others? The Bush administration has never cared about a few hundred innocent lives, American or not. It's interesting that you should say it though. There is some compelling evidence that the world Trade Centre was demolished in a controlled, planned manner. Look at this:

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#collapse_on_demand

This has got really confusing, so that no one who hadn't followed it all from the start could understand it now!
"Starbirth himself has said that the typos are a result of the pain medication - not the thought processes to which you object. If you have a problem with the thought processes, stop attacking the medication use and start attacking the thought processes."
I don't perceive that Empty Sky *ever* attacked the medication use! The way I see it, he is 'attacking' the thought processes, or rather not the thought processes, but the postings they lead to!
Regarding Apparition, I recall some really nasty things that have been said to him. He's not a villain, he's (soemtimes) a victim!

"Starbirth, knowing Empty Sky as I do, (and I do, by keyboard at least.) I *know* he doesn't hold the attitudes you ascribe to him. He would be horrified to know that you think such things of him!"

Quite right Adele. The things that Starbirth said there are too ridiculous to even contemplate. To make it worse Lentilla, when castigating me for my treatment of Starbirth, made no mention of those things. A horrifying double standard.

But I'd be doing myself a disfavour if I let it bother me.

I heard something today on the BBC WS to the effect that the invasion of Iraq was on the cards as far back as 12 September 2001
But would it have happened without 9/11? Given what I believe the reasons to have been - oil and pressure from Israel - I'd say probably yes, but 911 created a receptive public atmosphere in the USA.

No, birth, that one's my favourite...

To put it bluntly, 9/11 was a stroke of luck for Bush (to say the least).

Yes, horrible to say, it was indeed. Without it, Bush would be having a hard time, with Enron, WorldCom and a crashing economy

Not to mention his need for something to divert attention from his non-legitimate presidency.

(Best not to mention that).

Adelle.I have already let it be known that any typo i make is my fault no excuses. I tried to move on and post to topic at hand by responding to the possibilty that Bush was behind or new of the 911 attack. After posting one of the storys I had heard I asked if any one had a favorite story. I made a typo and once again as he has numerous times Empty must comment on it instead of just responding to the post. Maybe you should go back and see how this all started.
From his constantly picking out typos to making comments that I cannot put together a coherent thought to say I lack ethics because of my humor. See what he says about people with handicaps. The sad thing is many of his posts also have typos. In fact I could point out a typo in your thread {soemtimes} but I know what you meant and will not try to emmbarress you pointing out every typo you make or attack your intelligence and or ethics because you disagree with me. I will however from this point try once more to post to topic. However since it seems that most of the persons in here are of the same mind mybe I should leave and you all can have one big huging party while agreeing.

Starbith:
"Ant favorites?"
Empty:
I don't care what ants think. Why should I?

>I heard something today on the BBC WS to the effect that the invasion of Iraq was on the cards as far back as 12 September 2001
But would it have happened without 9/11? Given what I believe the reasons to have been - oil and pressure from Israel - I'd say probably yes, but 911 created a receptive public atmosphere in the USA.<

Thats a good question Adele. I really do not think it would have or at the least it would have been a very hard sell.

Empty, I say again that your reading comprehension is faulty. I don't know why you think I'm saying that you said these things. I'm summarizing your rhetoric into a couple of sentences. My first post - the one that you're frantically looking to see where I got the quotes - starts out with this sentence:

"Here's a summary of his first post:"

Adele and Sky:

Adele said: "I don't perceive that Empty Sky *ever* attacked the medication use! The way I see it, he is 'attacking' the thought processes, or rather not the thought processes, but the postings they lead to! "

Empty said in an earlier post: "You say you are not an idiot and I believe that. However it seems that your medication is preventing you from doing justice to your true ability. Do you really want that to continue?"

Or this one: "Starbirth, I have the greatest sympathy for anyone requiring pain medication. But if it's preventing you from thinking clearly, why do you even contribute here?"

Now, can you see why I got this impression? I'm willing to grant that what he said just came out wrong. It would have been better if he apologized and moved on, but instead he continued to try to prove his point.

> "To make it worse Lentilla, when castigating me for my treatment of Starbirth, made no mention of those things."

What things? That Starbirth says some silly stuff? I thought it was obvious. Yeah, Starbirth says some silly stuff. Why not call it silly and move on?

Empty, If you believe I have a double standard because I'm not attacking what Starbirth says, then I'm puzzled. Starbirth and I obviously disagree on almost everything. I've stated my views, he's stated his, and never the twain shall meet. We could argue all day and still wouldn't agree. I don't see the point in that. You and I share many more views - you're quite a bit more out there than I am, but closer to the truth than Starbirth is. Perhaps that's why I speak up - I think to myself, 'well, he's almost got it right.' Your only obstacle is believing that all Americans are evil. That's something I can't help.

> "Regarding Apparition, I recall some really nasty things that have been said to him. He's not a villain, he's (soemtimes) a victim!"

Adele - This isn't about Apparition at all - this is about Empty's actions. I would act the same if ANYBODY were treated in that way. I'd like us all to get over this and move on to some actual discussion of world events... please?

I am willing.

hmmm I come back for a look and Lentilla is still going.

L - "What things? That Starbirth says some silly stuff? I thought it was obvious. Yeah, Starbirth says some silly stuff. Why not call it silly and move on?"

S - "Even though you are a sanctimonious twit who obviously needs to do a lot of growing up"

huh? Oh how of me not to see it...

Three facts remain

1. Lentilla will excuse anything said by an American
2. Lentilla will accuse others of lacking comprehension while quoting me and chastising empty for it. Are we, non americans, just all the same to you?
3. Lentilla you still don't seem to be able to get on with things. 'last word' mentality.

Popping out 'till discussion actually resumes.

"Adelle.I have already let it be known that any typo i make is my fault no excuses."

Starbirth, you just keep on contradicting yourself. First you said: "I do realise that I make a number of typos while posting here. I do try to check over my post but unfortunatly I am on some very strong pain medication..." (post 6983)

Now you say: "any typo i make is my fault no excuses" (post 7052).

So, do you attribute it to the medication or not? (not that it matters, the whole thing is irrelevant and silly.)

Yes, I picked up on your "ant" typo. But only because it was amusing and I had hoped you were human and could accept it in the spirit in which it was intended. There are many other mistakes of yours I could've mentioned but didn't. So I have no wish to be nasty, it's just that that particular one was funny.

I have never said you "lack ethics because of your humour". That's a ridiculous statement and has no basis. Posts remain on this forum forever, so there's no excuse for such obvious misquoting of people that you and Lentilla are so fond of.

Likewise, I have NEVER said anything about people with handicaps, apart from the assertion that you have betrayed such people with your cynical parodying of them. Claiming that a handicap excuses your typos and then back-tracking on it.

And if I pointed out "every typo you make" you'd be justified in complaining. But I have by no means done that. It's impossible, it'd take forever and I have a life.

I'm afraid I can't quite understand why you and Lentilla so badly misunderstand the things people say. There's no excuse for it, you're intelligent people and the evidence is all still there.

"Now, can you see why I got this impression? I'm willing to grant that what he said just came out wrong. It would have been better if he apologized and moved on, but instead he continued to try to prove his point."

Lentilla, I remind you that Starbirth did say: "I do realise that I make a number of typos while posting here. I do try to check over my post but unfortunatly I am on some very strong pain medication..." (post 6983)

He quite clearly attempted to attribute his errors to his medication and then later back-tracked on it.

"What things?"

You really want to know what things? This is what Starbirth unjustly accused me of saying:

"Why should I even bother to contribute here seeing I have a physical ailment?
Why should the world bother with such things as the Special olympic's?
Why should mentally retarded children even bother to go to school and learn?
Why should Handicaped people even try to live a normal life?
Why should the world put up with the infirm, old, sick, handicaped, mentally ill ?
Would it not be better to save them from all this suffering? Should not we strive for a race of super men where none are afflicted with sickness, handicaps infirmitys? A world of perfection a....Master race?" (post 6996)

It's completely untrue, completely unjustified and many times worse than anything I ever said about him. There's never been even the merest hint that I believe any of those things. You castigated me but failed to mention any of that nonsense from Starbirth, why?

Lastly, when have I ever said, or even implied, "that all Americans are evil"??? You have a significant blind spot when it comes to either interpreting, understanding or remembering the things people say.

>>at the least it would have been a very hard sell.>>
Exactly!

A hard sell indeed. Huh! In a world in which people are told what to think by Oprah, it seems it would've been easier than we think.

Here's an interesting speech given by John Willis, the BBC's Director of Factual & Learning. It confirms what we all knew, that's that most of the electronic media in the US are slavish devotees to the right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/speeches/stories/johnwillis_rts.shtml