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I was thinking much the same thing (about leaving it well enough alone)...I'm not waiting for apologies; I hope you don't think that I needed any . In any case, happy lurking, y'all .

B

Hi Njan

the girl is question nearly set me running from this site, I have been open to her about the coments she made that I don't like. I also don't appreciate her picking on faults in others which she has herself.

I know this conversation may be somewhat immature, and if there is a similar one about me (and there was for a short while), then I guess its because I deserved it.

I cannot face the girl myself again, and find the thought of being run off the site quite dreadful, so posting on this conversation is my way of coping. Its immature, but I'm afraid its how she makes me feel.

Now I've got 2 hours of backlog to read, so I'll catch up and probably be posting again in a sec.

Hi again

waves to Ben!

Ben and I had a big spat, we are now friends again(I hope!), I have had the most awful week of my life. I have been dumped by my parents who have said they do not have time for me anymore. Their behaviour is shocking, but I wonder, have I absorbed any of it.

It was mentioned that Saturnine could learn from this, can I learn from it too? I think I have been very dominated by the way I was brought up, I have a chance now to start again. If anyone has a problem with me, can they tell me about it?

Please don't be too bitchy, constructive criticism is prefered, I'm quite fragile at the mo., but want the chance to learn and be better. I will try to take everything on board in a mature way.

Anyone?!

'If anyone has a problem with me, can they tell me about it?'

Not a single bean

give em chance, they've all gone off-line!

Not a single bean equals Stespeak for 'I cannot possibly imagine anyone who would have a problem with someone so great as Kaz'. Though I can see how the bean thing could be confusing.

Thanks Ste, although I have really annoyed some poeple on here, promise!

Just a couple of things (well, maybe a few...ummmm...ok, several.)

I suspect everyone who posts anything more than smiley congas has p*ssed people off at one point or another. The good thing that comes of it sometimes is that the ranting can degenerate to dialogue, and sometimes it makes deep changes in the way people interact with others.

Some time ago I had a thread dangling off my space that was eerily like this one, starting as a message of support. It generated a lot of action. A couple of y'all here probably remember being a part of that explosion. LOADS of people happened across it, some got involved and probably plenty of others just lurked. I was totally ticked off when I started posting in the thing and now I kinda cringe when I think of it, even though I behaved better once I got my wits about me again. My point here is that all the ugly stuff I said is still there for anyone who comes across it, and it's not going to disappear, even loooong after the issue has been resolved. I'm not very proud to have that evidence of me in my bitchery floating around out there. That's why, after my initial AntiMoG post here I haven't posted again til now, though I did write a long rant the other night and then, after previewing, I decided it DIDN'T have to be said. At least, not as a public record. That's just me though.

Saturnine is what she is and she'll probably change a lot given time and experience. I guess there's a possibility that pointing her here to this place would give her something to think about, but if she's anything like me (and some other people I've run across here on h2g2), it'll just hurt and be kinda horrifying to have to deal with all these people who apparently despise her. She's not especially subtle in her approach, but is any of us? I hate to admit it, but I was just as as she is when I was her age. I guess she's doing the best she can. Seems like it would be a shame to give her more reasons to entrench herself in some of her negative behaviors, because I think one of these days she'll figure a lot of things out. And I think when she does she'll truly benefit from the memory of what a she's been and be especially careful not to allow herself to indulge in it.

Shuttin' up now.

MoG

Just my ... I'm exhausted, so I'll hopefully be brief.

I agree with Ste (I think it was) who said that this thread is being taken by those posting here as something very tongue in cheek and theraputic. I have had days where I wanted to Socrates that girl to death, and have almost posted several things not typical of myself and just barely controlled myself not to. I don't get pissed off at people easily, especially people I know just haven't matured to the point where they can think about things in a more mature fashion (ie, are able to making a few posts that don't offend most of the people that happen across it), mainly cause I've been there and I know how it feels. Not to say that I'm completely out of that stage - as posters on this forum go, I think I'm one of the youngest. This is the first even remotely large fight-battle thing I've been involved in at any level since LeKZ was here, and I was only involved in that because I was a young Ace who tried something that didn't work and screwed up a lot of other stuff. You live and learn.

I do think, njan and nyssa, that you guys are taking this far too seriously, though. We needed an outlet for this. I know I have been so absurdly annoyed with that girl that I have become somewhat agitated in real life. That's not a *good* thing. And I know I'm not the only one. We're human, too, and as the adage says, misery loves company. This forum will die a harmless death, and if she sees it, so be it. If she's been blind to the fact that she bothers people to this extent, then she needs a wake-up call. I know she knows how I feel about her - I do respect her as a person, but I in no way like her or consider her a friend. Nothing I have said will come as a revelation, I hope.

h ething IS: I would want to know if I had offended this many people. I would care.

Geez maybe I have. I would want to know.

It is enabling her and driving people from the site. I would not have posted here if I had not addressed her FIRST. I did NOT know how other people where seeing things. Most of the time, I was pained by what she said to others.

I was blown away a time or two, I had to leave. When I returned someone else had stepped in and remarked about how callous or insensitive she was to me. I am used to fighting my own battles. I was taken aback for my need to pause and LEAVE. I have left many threads rather than spend my day defending.

Jedi can tell U how I had defender Sat at one Time on Jedi site . There for all to see. I lost my patience with her, I wanted to *share * that with Jedi whom also did at one point. I felt bad for Jedi then Jedi was hurt. It was not so flattering a stand up that Sat would like all I said,it was what I believed. It was the cloning thread. It got pretty rough ,and then all pulled it together.

If she was total BS she would have been yikes out of here. We HAVE had patience. SHE needs some with US.

Enabeling her to do more harm, will hurt HER far more than us. I have said to Sat; that is over the line--Sat said there IS NO line. Well there IS!

I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm playing devil's advocate right now, and that a funny position for me to be in.

Abbi, I'd want to know when I offend people, too, and for the same reason.

I read this thing this morning on your space and I wrote it down in a place I've written things down that resonated since I was 16 years old.

"Let them call me a rebel,and I welcome it.
I feel no concern from it.
But I should suffer the misery of demons,
were I to make a whore of my soul."

I kinda think, and I may be waaaaaay off, but I kinda get the impression that Saturnine feels that way too. Maybe she just feels it from a different perspective, and maybe she's trying to discover where her 'soul' lies.

Alright, I'm beginning to think I've made a HUGE mistake.

Ste made a perfectly reasonable comment to me on my homepage. Thinking that my homepage was someplace I could be glib, I was. Although I do stand by what I said.

How this thing attracted as much interest as it did is a mystery to me. One thing that is clear, however, is that this thing is snowballing out of control. I suppose my comments in post 2 set the tone to some degree. I thought it was funny when so many people were coming out of the woodwork to add their two cents, if I may mix a metaphor. So I let it develop as it would.

I knew that, sooner or later, the voice of dissent would arrive. I guess I was curious to see how long it would take, and what form it would take. I was half expecting S9 herself.

Now the voice of dissent has arrived, and the moralizing and defensiveness has begun. Njan and Nyssa have weighed in with their concerns, have received counter-arguments and argued back in turn, and now, while they're offline, the arguments against Njan and Nyssa are piling up. And I'm sure they'll feel compelled to answer what has already appeared, and possibly more is on the horizon. An area that has already attracted too much interest will attract much more, and the flaming will begin.

Well, friends, I want no part of it. I implore all of you... let this thread die the death it richly deserves. I didn't suspend myself for a year only to host the next Infamous Intelligence/Lifetime Suspension fiasco on my own homepage almost immediately upon my return.

Please? Just let this conversation fall into disuse, so it drops off everyone's "recent conversations" and people stop finding it?

ok

Willdo Blatherskite - that irony had not escaped me.

There is one thing which I want to say on this thread rather than on Kaz's U-Space and that is - yes - we most definitely are friends again.

We are friends because, despite our differences, when we came to make up some months later we *both* swallowed our pride and put our concern about how the other person was feeling ahead of our own hurt feelings. And guess what? The remaining pride disappeared once we had made up.

I wanted to say this here because Kaz's maturity at that time, and her strength in approaching me first when I was still sore and could still have turned around and kicked her in the teeth, is something which I respect her for immensely. I also like her for it too. We are still very different people, but we both respect that, I think.

Anyway - I wanted y'all to know that, before this thread finally fritters away.

Out of respect for Blatherskite's wishes I am not going to comment on any other aspect of this thread.

B

Just to put the record straight, and because it is something I feel that *may* get blown out of all proportion, I am going to state a few facts;

1) I am no narc for the Italics. They are, in my experience, perfectly capable of finding this type of thread without my help.

2) If there is a conversation of this type about me, would somebody let me know. My U-space references *desperately* need updating...

As I said, I really don't want an argument. If you want me to answer your postings and you really wonder what the opposing side things, then I will; but for the moment I've just got up and I think that it would be better to let this thread fall into disuse. If nothing else, at least find an outlet for your stress which falls behind closed doors? I'm sure you'd be just fine e-mailing each other about this, for instance. That doesn't make it a great deal better, but at least if you're private about it then it's unlikely that anyone'll get hurt by anyone of this, which is my prime concern and the most worrying aspect of this thread. And as far as I'm aware, I haven't said anything which could've been said to be moralising.

the hilarity of the situation is s9's probably read this thread, deemed it pathetic and moved on... like i'm just going to do s to unsubscribe!

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