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Luthiena Posted May 25, 2004
Well I haven't deleted it and yes it does have a 'sent' number on it.
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SEF Posted May 25, 2004
Do you mean a phone message or a computer one? In either case there are some checks which can be done but it does matter which in order to point you in the right direction.
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Researcher 178815 Posted May 25, 2004
Well, there should also be a Message Centre Number along with it. Scroll the details the phone gives you, and you should get it.
O2's is +447802000??? (Missed out last three digits just in case) - I've Googled for the others, but I can't find them. But when you find the right Operator which matches the Centre number your message there has, then make a complaint to the relevant Operator. It's only one message (isn't it?) so make a point of saying it's as part of an ongoing harrassment, and good luck.
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SEF Posted May 25, 2004
The police view of this:
http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/crime-reduction/mal-calls5.htm
A charity which might be relevant, depending on age and nature:
http://www.bullying.co.uk/children/mobile_phone.htm
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Researcher 178815 Posted May 25, 2004
*bump*
The pre-mod wait makes some people think there's no replies sometimes.
Useful information on that Police site, by the way. Definitely read it, Ena.
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Saturnine Posted May 25, 2004
Ena. Please do something. I told you that it was worse than you thought, but you didn't believe me. Things that start out this way end in people dying.
Police station. Tell your parents. Tell a friend.
It's not your fault. Just do it.
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badger party tony party green party Posted May 25, 2004
Be wary but lets not jump off at the deep end, eh?
Yes Ena, its important to let other people who will handle the situation in a sensitive and measured way know exactly what is happening.
Scaring the poor girl is perhaps not the best idea Sat.
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hellboundforjoy Posted May 25, 2004
"Scaring the poor girl is perhaps not the best idea"
I dunno, if it gets her to do something about this situation...Nothing else seems to be getting through to you, Ena, about the seriousness of this situation. It is not nothing. (not yelling, not yelling, just trying to make a point.)
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badger party tony party green party Posted May 25, 2004
Hey Im all for a little sensible crime prevention, but sensationalising the issue can lead to some people living in perpetual fear of inflated dangers.
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hellboundforjoy Posted May 25, 2004
I suppose you're right, sensationalism is not helpful...
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soeasilyamused, or sea Posted May 26, 2004
But neither is discounting things as harmless when they have a distinct potential not to be...
If the guy is harmless, the involvement of People In Charge (police, teachers, adults, what have you) will definitely scare him into leaving you alone. If he's not, they'll be able to help you put a stop to it. No one is going to fault you for being scared. It's your right as a woman. Last I heard, 1 in 4 women is raped in their lifetime. Most murder victims know their attackers.
Here's the bottom line: the least that will happen, if you involve People In Charge, is that he'll get the message and leave you alone.
I don't want to 'sensationalize', believe me. This is what I know from being in a very similar situation in high school and what I've seen as an intern at a Police Department.
Go with your gut. If you feel something is wrong, it probably is.
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azahar Posted May 26, 2004
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I agree. I personally don't think this guy is harmless and have said so earlier. What he has been doing so far is illegal. Also, it is hardly 'normal' behaviour, is it? This story has set of my 'danger radar alarm' and this is seldom wrong.
Other people need to be told about this person immediately and given his personal details. Then *other people* should approach him and let him know of the changed situation. Luthiena should not do this on her own.
Blicky, sometimes it is sensible to be afraid.
az
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badger party tony party green party Posted May 26, 2004
Um no, its sensible to be sensible.
I do see what you all mean and i agree that some action is necessary, but living in fear makes you a perpetual victim and i dont think that is what you really want here.
Ena many apologies from myself and Im sure all the others if we sound condescending discussing your present problem like this.
We are talking about a specific situation which we dont know a lot about you are the only one who has a clear idea of what is going on, but we do have some idea of this sort of thing and wider issues. So i hope you take all of this in the spirit it is intended even if you choose not to follow any of the advice
Ive got my self in trouble in RL arguing with the early years staff here for questioning their stranger danger programme, I say its counter productive as it encourages children to fear the unknown and unquestioningly adhere to what they know. This it can be said actually puts them in more danger of abuse.
Crime reporting statistics are very unreliable, but of the crime that is reported in this area most of it is actulluy perpetrated from within the family circle. Women are more likely to be assaulted in thier homes and killed by their husbands, boyfriends or ex's than by any stranger.
The most powerful weapon in a womans defensive armoury is her self confidence. Knowing what respect she deserves, how to go about making sure others know that too and observe her rights is the primary thrust of the womens safety and self defence course that I book for young women who come to clubs that I run.
Im sure any of you would agree that teaching a child how to cross a road properly is better than telling them to be scared of cars or how to treat animals properley is better than saying dogs and cats are dangerous.
People do do terrible things to each other but focusing on the danger actually protects no one at all. Im not telling Ena or anyone to bury their head in the sand, but I really believe that thinking of ways for people to deal with, lessen and avoid danger is much better way of teaching people to cope with it and still have a happy life that is not clouded by constant worry.
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azahar Posted May 26, 2004
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I didn't suggest that Luthiena or anyone 'live in fear'. I was talking about this particular situation, which I find frightening. No, we don't have all the information but the fact that the perpetrator is already breaking the law is enough to warrant prompt and further action.
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Well, absolutely. My advice to Luthiena was not to cower in fear of all men - it was to tell other people about this person, other people in RL who could help her deal with this.
az
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BouncyBitInTheMiddle Posted May 26, 2004
Teenage boys getting obsessive and keeping up their attempts after being spurned is not uncommon. Normally these are the shy ones though, and if this guy keeps hugging you then its going beyond that.
It will be the best thing for him as well as for you if he is firmly shown where the boundaries are.
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soeasilyamused, or sea Posted May 27, 2004
Definitely. He needs to learn the limits of other people's comfort zones. Some people just don't understand the concept of "personal space", and it's better that he learns it now rather than later.
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Luthiena Posted May 27, 2004
You guys are all lovely for caring and trying to help.
I have stored a couple of the texts I have been sent and am going to O2 tomorrow; I am also going to see my tutor at college this afternoon.
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Ferrettbadger. The Renegade Master Posted May 27, 2004
I think it is for thew best Ena, good good.
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HonestIago Posted May 27, 2004
Good for you Ena. Probably (hopefully) it'll all sort itself out really quickly and painlessly, fingers crossed
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Luthiena Posted May 28, 2004
Couldn't go and see O2 or tutor because I am really sick... have been throwing up all over the place....nice!
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