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Post number 4688 says a lot less than some people think.
Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque Posted Nov 9, 2003
Sorry ES I wasn't talking about this particular issue. Just that some of the same old arguements keep coming up but since people keep coming and going thats inevitable I suppose.
I was very impressed with Montanas posts although I didnt always agree with her, plus she knows her history.
Post number 4688 says a lot less than some people think.
Empty Sky (Remember me fondly.) Posted Nov 9, 2003
Yes. I really only mentioned it because the post title still refers to it.
Someone really should change that.
PLAIN TALKING PLEASE
Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Nov 9, 2003
MONTANA PLEASE COME BACK.
This thread would be dull without you. Generally in the UK an educator would not assume a student to be "stupid" in word or deed.
It would, I believe, be better for the student if lecturers did. Perhaps then a better course could be taken; better for the student.
I try not to stand on quicksand. Montana I like you. There are BIG cultural differences between the UK and the US. I don't mind at all the crits you throw at me..I learn from it. I do not have the store of published work a lot of you use but so what?
And if any good comes out of this it will be the demise of misunderstanding between us. I can't work these little facey things BTW.
TO THE PERSON WHO sang my praises...are you serious?
PLAIN TALKING PLEASE
Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Nov 9, 2003
Hang on..Shaman Unscrupulous
Your motive is malice. Why waste so many words? Good piece though, preserve it!
PLAIN TALKING PLEASE
Doc U Posted Nov 9, 2003
Au contraire, mon frere - my motive is pure ness. Why use so many words, then? Because I take my nonsense seriously!
I plan to save my posts in a big plastic binder and show them to my great-grandchildren, thank you very much. I'm sure they'll be proud.
PLAIN TALKING PLEASE
Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque Posted Nov 9, 2003
PLAIN TALKING PLEASE
Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Nov 9, 2003
Acknowledged.
BTW the BBC has just reported that the US "WWII Ghost Ships" or two of 'em have been diverted to the Thames and London. They were bound for Hartlepool in NE England which is my nearest sea port.
A court order has decreed they are to return to Norfolk VA. Friends of the Earth have won the day. Lots of people will be happy. Not me.
We lost 200 jobs which we needed. Our people are extremely hard working and skilled in marine engineering.
The Friends of the Earth are not the friends of this part of the UK, I can assure you!
PLAIN TALKING PLEASE
Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque Posted Nov 9, 2003
Got divided feelings on taking other countries junk. I lived in Newcastle in the 80s and I remember how bad things were then, but I feel as a general principle waste should be disposed of as close as possible to where it was produced.
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Doc U Posted Nov 9, 2003
Sorry, forget to fix the subject line.
So where were we? Come back, Montana! I don't know how you'd read this if you weren't reading the thread . . . perhaps I'll leave Montana a message.
Also, I think we were talking a while ago about mistreating Mexico. Or at least fathead was. Forgive me for returning to that discussion of what's wrong with America. Now, obviously America's war against Mexico was a completely unprovoked, obviously unjustified land grab. However, there's no way that the US is responsible for Mexico's present state. At the time of the Mexican-American War, Mexico had gone through 22 regimes in 27 years. They were in terrible shape economically, and they weren't improving very quickly in any area(industry, commerce, agriculture, efficiency, technology). How long do you think Mexico would have held on to its territory in these conditions, fathead? Wouldn't they eventually have decided to sell it, either to the US or another foreign power?
Also regarding Mexico: right now, America is Mexico's best friend. Many American companies, for instance GM, love to move their production centers south of the border and pay Mexican workers more than they could get elsewhere, simply because it's profitable for the companies as well. NAFTA has ensured that Mexico gets the benefit of US trade, and America has always protected Mexico in one way or another simply to make sure the entire continent, and hence the US itself, is secure. Furthermore, Mexico is lucky enough to be able to export its poorest citizens to the US as illegal immigrants (that's a pretty crass way to put it, I know, but that doesn't make it false) without having a shortage of workers or taxpayers.
So . . . in the spirit of this forum, could somebody please point out the various ways in which I am completely wrong?
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Blackberry Cat , if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque Posted Nov 9, 2003
Don't think you are completely wrong but Mexico being in a mess wouldn't justify U.S. land grab or mistreatment of its Hispanic citizens for over a century. Grant considered the Civil War divine punishment for the U.S.-Mexican War.
As for U.S. being Mexicos best friend they've only helped Mexico when its in their own interests to. Not unusual but hardly anything to boast about. Those illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. by doing badly paid jobs without the protection of unions or the law.
Can't see why the right makes such a fuss about illegal immigrants anyway. Surely the right should praise them for wanting to better themselves and for going where the work is. Market forces in action.
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Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Nov 9, 2003
Just out of general interest, I would like to know how many broadcast stations use Spanish only, or, have a significant proportion of latin programmes.
If so are these stations within or without the PBS system? They could be community charities for instance.
Our local BBC station in Newcastle upon Tyne has ethnic programmes broadcast in Asian and Chinese. Because we have 33 BBC local stations these programmes are regionally relevant and popular.
That is the benefit of a PBS system financed by taxes. And that is why, perhaps the US is disparate socially and politically. The constitution is weaker than the media perhaps?
Furthermore in the UK our national flag is rarely seen. We don't need anything more than the BBC to remind us that we're British.
Now I'm not claiming that you lot are fractionated BUT I do believe you would benefit from a well funded PBS.
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Boxing Baboon (half here an half there ) Posted Nov 9, 2003
this H2G2 is the only thing good on the bbc the rest is rubbish.As for for showing sport ten pin bowling and darts .Darts
rather watch paint dry
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Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Nov 9, 2003
Try the radio programmes Babs.
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Boxing Baboon (half here an half there ) Posted Nov 9, 2003
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Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Nov 9, 2003
It's worth checking on teletext. There are some good one's on R4. On the BBC locals there are some good programmes but the planning and publicising of these is poor.
R4 is good to learn about all sorts of stuff. Seek out BBC WORLD SERVICE. I like it, but as you say, radio listening is a personal thing. The fact is we're paying £115 per year for this and other services.
I'm glad you like H2G2. At least your getting something back.
Keep On Postin brother!
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rev. paperboy (god is an iron) Posted Nov 9, 2003
Oetzi I think you have a mistaken impression of what PBS is the United States. It is basically a loose affiliation of non-commercial television broadcasters that receive some government support in some area, but mostly rely on telethon-style fund raising (semi-annual televised beg-fests in viewers are urged to call in with donations.) and corporate donations. Many of the station do run a lot of old BBC comedies and documentary stuff in addition to the MacNeil-Leher newshour, Wall Street Week and educational stuff like Sesame Street and the late lamented Mr. Rogers.
Having a site that connects you to your elected representative in U.S. would be almost meaningless. For starters, there are plenty of similar sites out there now like http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/
but all of this presupposes that the politicians in question read all the email sent to them (they don't) or any letter that doesn't have a cheque enclosed.
For a look at how things really work have a look at some of the fun and games described on http://www.gregpalast.com/
He's a London based American investigative journalist, the same guy who broke the story about the massive de-registration of black voters in Florida by George W. Bush's campaign chairman. (speaking of what's wrong with America.....)
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Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Nov 9, 2003
I appreciate that. So does that mean that Spanish or other ethnic minorities are effectively not served by the media at all? Yes or No answer will do, I ain't seeking dissertations!
Post number 4688 says a lot less than some people think.
Muzzlehatch Posted Nov 9, 2003
I don't believe it's elitist to expect everyone posting on a forum such as this to employ the highest standards of written English of which they are capable. The reason for this is the eminently obvious one that our sentences are the means of couching our thoughts, and if our sentences are confused and badly constructed, then our thoughts will appear the same.
Not everyone is totally literate, but surely everybody has a spellchecker. If you are bad at spelling, surely it is a basic courtesy to spend a few seconds making your messages a little more readable.
What is snobbish or elitist about expecting people to express themselves clearly?
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