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There is a petition to request a debate in the commons requesting a second referendum, now the full impact of leaving is clear along with the misrepresentation and misinformation has now been exposed we have a chance to put it to the vote again.

If you want use the link below a 2 minute job

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

it must get 100,000 e signatures to cause a debate nearly 175,OOO have signed within 12 hours.

Unhappy with way it was handled please sign

Thanks for that Bob - it's worth a try. I wonder if it'll let me take part from outside the UK.

"Petitions is down for maintenance"

No surprising really.

I voted Remain but that petition is pathetic. If you want to see real civil unrest, try watching the losing side try to overturn a majority decision.

As much as you may believe Brexiters to be stupid/bigoted/racist/naive, we had a vote and the combined campaigns of every major UK political party failed to convince a majority of voters.

If anyone should be "shot for treason" it's the absolute oaf in charge of the Labour Party who all but guaranteed this result with his wishy washy shilly shallying. Direct your ire at the professional politicians who failed to make a convincing case because they were too busy scoring points off each other.

If a child doesn't understand a subject, do we instantly dismiss the child as too thick to understand or do we say the teacher has failed to teach? When more than half the class fail to understand surely it's a failure in teaching?

No it has crashed so many people are trying to sign it, thats somewhat reasuring

If a child doesn't understand a subject, do we instantly dismiss the child as too thick to understand or do we say the teacher has failed to teach? When more than half the class fail to understand surely it's a failure in teaching?

The believed and feared the the misinformation, NHS funding, immigration will stop (it will get worse).
Thick is unfair gullible maybe

I've been looking for an online link to Philip Jose Farmer's story, "The Oogenesis of Egg City", haven't been able to find one.

Though technically offtopic, it is philosophically relevant.

No, but we wouldn't ask it to do something that we thought was beyond it's ability.



No. We say that the teacher needs to find a way of achieving a task by having somebody competent do the job.



Only perhaps if there are two teachers in the class squabbling and giving contradictory opinion.

PP.

Maybe just accept that a referendum was chosen, the people have voted, now we move on?

For the Remainers, you did your bit, and fell short.

For the Brexit group congratulations you won.

For the UK and Gibraltar, Hold on it is going to be a bumpy ride. Very bumpy.

A thought!

Financial situation? Dire. £ will fall, FTSE will suffer, pension pot decrease, austerity is extended by 5 years.

Politics: Cameron gone, Johnson will not get in, but who is strong enough to lead. Corbyn fighting for his position. General election called, Coalition.

Trade falters, as exports become too expensive.

Immigration: Calais closes holding camp as Britain no longer part of EU so no longer supporting costs, frees up gates, immigrants flood in.

NHS: Non Uk EU staff given notice, either become Citizens or leave. Many leave due to low exchange rate as not economical to send money home. Those who have taken up residence fear for their continued occupations, as now consider UK as home, but cost and time scale of seeking UK Citizenship too high and long.

Agriculture and fisheries: Many voted to leave due to European diktats but losing the EU rants will mean many will lose their livelihoods as their market shrinks, and they must rely purely on therincome and whatever the UK can provide.

Benefits: Apologies. But you are going to get shafted. The pot is empty, supporting the above, so find the biggest begging bowl you've got, learn the penny whistle, adopt a stray dog, and find a derelict shop with an overhang and play Scotland the Brave!

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MMF

Forgot the politicians.
Boris was ok as London mayor but disaster as PM.
Corbyn has shown he has no backbone. Cannot decide his allegiances and prevaricates. Also no statesman
Is there anyone in the wings in either party to get this nation out of this predicament?

Personally I think not.

Brexit have really not thought this one out and unfortunately they are the ones most likely to suffer the consequences.

I hope I am very wrong as I fit in to the ones suffering the consequences.

MMF

As Shakespeare said - "for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so"

There is a new reality, it's up to us to make the best of it.

What annoys me is the unaccountability of it all.

Well one of the things that annoys me I should say, they whole thing is an utter disaster and I wonder what the repercussions will be when the majority of the leave voters find out the true implications of this utterly imbecilic decision.

In a general election it's a good time to vote for who you actually want to run the country as that's when it really matters and it's kind of important for all.

In a mid-term or a by-election - THAT's a good time to register a protest vote as it sends a message and the politicians can act on it. At least hopefully.

In a referendum that is irreversible and of MAJOR importance to our, long and short term lives - that's a pretty damn STUPID time to do a 'protest' vote.
1. Your 'protest' vote might actually mean that what you really don't want to happen, happens (oh looky )
2. If you protest in a mid-term election you can actually kick those out you voted in last time and revers the decision. That's not possible here

Back to accountability. If politicians LIE in campaign for a council election, a general election or a european election (or whatever) you can VOTE THEM OUT AGAIN NEXT TIME.

Here, they can apparently lie to get what they want, then withdraw those lies within <24 hours of the vote and who is held responsible? Er.. well we haven't actually voter anyone in, so we can't kick anyone out.

It's an utter nightmare. I've been unable to post till now without gratuitously swearing all over th place and I"m still obviously struggling.

If anyone should be done for treason it's Cameron. He called this because he made the pledge in the manifesto to get support from his swivel-eyed colleagues in the last election. Noone except them really wanted it - he was complacent thinking he'd just win.

Now his political legacy is the destruction of the UK's very great links with the EU, the destruction of the EU as we knew it and possibly the destruction of the UK itself if Scotland decides (as is quite right) that they have very good grounds for a new referendum.

Nice one Dave - *slow hand clap*

The answer as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”.
please read the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament

Have they the bravery, they would be heroes to 65% of the population.

Dream on

They have nothing to loose its an option if they re run the vote and win they might win a lot of friends

Much as I hate this result the only thing I can think of that would be worse is to just ignore or overturn it.

In large part this was a result of those who feel disenfrachised. Do you *really* think truly disenfrachising them - which is what you want here - is a good plan?

So what's being suggested is referendums are a terrible way of making decisions so let's have another referendum?

A contact of mine in the legal industry reckons it will take 20 years to rewrite all the laws, not 2.

Either way, he's the real winner.

I love how it was all "we have to leave" and now it's "well we'll take our time" (to which the EU is saying "bugger off now, we don't want you")

Remainers are feeling justifiable peeved especially when the Leavers pop up and say "well I didn't mean it, I want my vote again because I voted wrong" etc etc

People like me who say time and again that a referendum is not the way to do these things, and especially not with a simple majority, are banging their heads against their desks because we're hearing that from people who were even last week telling us that we were wrong. We werent.

That film of Evan Davis doing his nut is driving me mad because he's doing in that what journalists weren't doing during the campaigning. and everyone now googling "what does it mean if we live the EU" after it's done and dusted need a firm application of the slapping hand.

To say I'm cross is a vast understatement. To say I'm stunned is a vast understatement. To say I'm not surprised at the stupidity of an electorate who don't seem in the large part what politics is and how it works is an understatement.

It's a mess and we're all going to suffer except the bloody rich politicians like Gove, Farage and Cameron.