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Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 321

Orcus

Now then, now then, now then. Police have arrested an 82 year old man in relation to operation Yew Tree. He was seen carrying a digeridoo, a wobble board and a paintbrush.

Can you tell who it is yet?


(Sorry not really funny I know - but had to be done smiley - devil)


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 322

lil ~ Auntie Giggles with added login ~ returned


Oh! This is really just too sad! smiley - wah


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 323

You can call me TC

Me too - this is the first time that I am totally shocked by the allegations. Surely he has genuinely brought more joy to television viewers of all ages than any of the others.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 324

Hoovooloo


Please avoid jokes involving:

1. tying kangaroos down
2. two little boys
3. being able to make your son arise
4. being able to "tell what it is yet"
5. didgeridoos
6. odd breathing patterns
7. anything to do with "down under"
8. extra legs
9. that creepy advert he used to do in a swimming pool.

... as all of these would count as too obvious.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 325

swl

Max Clifford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22313286

What he now needs is a good publicist so he can make money out of this.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 326

Sho - employed again!

What struck me with Max Clifford's statement to the cameras is that he can't see that he did anything wrong (that's how I understood it) with what he did - so he can't imagine that anyone else does.

the whole thing is very depressing from so many angles.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 327

Peanut

Careful,if there is a not gulty verdict I expect someone like Clifford is collecting up all the snippets that pronounce him guilty to give them a good sueing later


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 328

Hoovooloo


"he can't see that he did anything wrong [...] with what he did - so he can't imagine that anyone else does"

Wow. If ever yer noisy feminists needed a poster boy for rape culture, a soundbite that sums up the dehumanising effect... well.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 329

Sho - employed again!

you're not a feminist, Hoo?


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 330

swl

Ken Barlow

http://news.sky.com/story/1085437/coronation-streets-bill-roache-arrested

No wonder Deirdre always looked depressed


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 331

Hoovooloo

Reading the Guardian report on this, I noted the following:

"Detectives searched the actor's house"

What exactly did they expect to find that has any bearing on an offence allegedly committed over forty five years ago? I understand it's probably standard procedure, but in all seriousness is there anything they could find that would be admissible? Even in principle?


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 332

Pink Paisley

Possibly anything indicating an interest in underage girls.

He has probably had his computer(s) removed for examination.

PP.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 333

Hoovooloo


I may be naive, but if I were on a jury I'd have a hard time believing ANYTHING (short of a confession note or something "to be read after my death" or some similar unlikely nonsense) found on a computer in 2013 could be in any way at all relevant to whether someone had or had not committed an offence in 1967. The very idea seems ludicrous.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 334

winnoch2 - Impostair Syndromair Extraordinaire

The whole witch-hunt is ludicrous. Seems to me like this police unit is just trying to justify its existence now. There's no way in hell any sexual allegation can be proven to have occurred or not occurred 45 years ago. It's just money and fame-seekers trying their luck. Honestly, 19bluddy67 smiley - rolleyes


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 335

winnoch2 - Impostair Syndromair Extraordinaire

"members of the jury, this man was asked what he was doing on the afternoon of August 12th , 2 years before the first moonlanding, and he said, he couldn't remember. A likely story! Guilty!" smiley - laughsmiley - laugh


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 336

Hoovooloo


To be clear, I'm not proposing there should be any statute of limitations on sexual offences. I'm just baffled by the search and what it might hope to achieve.

And in the news: in three months, Stuart Hall has gone from saying allegations against him were "pernicious, callous, cruel and, above all, spurious", to saying he "deeply and sincerely regrets his actions. He wishes to issue an unreserved apology to the individuals concerned. He now accepts his behaviour and actions were completely wrong and he is very remorseful".

Wonder what changed in three months?

Worth noting that some of the charges he's coughed to dated back to... 1967.

It really is starting to get to the point where aging celebrities might having to start "coming out" as being one of the few who were NOT trading on their status to bang underage kids in the sixties and seventies.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 337

clare


Who says it has stopped?


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 338

Hoovooloo


I never said it had stopped. It's a good deal harder to get away with now, though, I think, because there's less "mystique" to celebrities compared to how it was 40 years ago.


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 339

clare


But a good conman is, if you will forgive the terminology, always up for a challenge


Jimmy Saville are you surprised?

Post 340

Bluebottle

I think we would all like to hope that such behaviour is universally recognised as unacceptable and that the police, courts etc. are sensitive to the issue, making it easier than ever before for victims of such crimes to come forward to name and shame the perpetrators while receiving care, compassion and counselling.

Sadly, I suspect that is being naively optimistic.

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