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Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 161

Orcus

Well we are talking probabilities

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or we could leave it at the L word smiley - winkeye


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 162

swl

Maybe one of the things that did for Chamberlain was getting it wrong? Forgiven for the misguided hope of "peace in our time", his speech during the phoney war proved to be just plain daft -

"The result was that when war did break out German preparations were far ahead of our own, and it was natural then to expect that the enemy would take advantage of his initial superiority to make an endeavour to overwhelm us and France before we had time to make good our deficiencies. Is it not a very extraordinary thing that no such attempt was made? Whatever may be the reason—whether it was that Hitler thought he might get away with what he had got without fighting for it, or whether it was that after all the preparations were not sufficiently complete—however, one thing is certain: he missed the bus."

Perhaps combined with Norway, having a leader getting it wrong repeatedly wasn't a good thing?


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 163

Orcus

Wow, that's almost anti-prophetic isn't it.


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 164

Geggs

smiley - lurk

I have nothing intelligent to end, but this is the sort of thread that I really enjoy in h2g2. One where I just sit back and learn in the hope that I will soon be impressing people in RL with my great knowledge.


Geggs


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 165

Geggs

...nothing intelligent to add...

And the lack of intelligence is thereby confirmed. smiley - doh


Geggs


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 166

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

My my. What a stooshie! smiley - biggrin


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 167

tucuxii

>>Perhaps combined with Norway, having a leader getting it wrong repeatedly wasn't a good thing?<<

Well that shows the strength of democracy because in the end the dictatorships were lumbered with leaders who repeatedly got things wrong the couldn't get rid of

I must say I've got more sympathy for Asquith losing office because he was duped by admirals who didn't think convoys were sexy and lumbered with an ideological dispute about nationalizing arms factories based on the generals daft idea more shells would lead to the big break through


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 168

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

>>Well that shows the strength of democracy because in the end the dictatorships were lumbered with leaders who repeatedly got things wrong the couldn't get rid of

Dunno. The Italians got rid of Mussolini.


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 169

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

OK - here's an inconvenient historical fog-of-peacetime quirk which absolutely *did* happen:

Joint British and Japanese patrols in Post WWII Vietnam.


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 170

tucuxii

>>Dunno. The Italians got rid of Mussolini<<

Only after he had led them into disasterous wars in Africa, Greece and Russia


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 171

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

And Albania.


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 172

Effers;England.


(Throw back to post 108)

>I think Jews preffered WW1 than WW2.< Alfster

I think you are onto something there 3dots smiley - winkeye judging by the amount of ashes I saw in a pond at the back of Camp Auchwitz..(Well the full monty, Birkenau bit).

I wish I'd a camera with me...because the experience came complete with Polish peasant farmer shouting at me. I just smiled.

Claude Lanzman in his fab film Shoah does an awful lot of interviews with Poles living in the vicinity of Auchwitz in the 1980s...and judging by their deep vicious religious based anti-semitism even now, you can understand why the Nazis built their extermination camps in Poland.

I mentioned that pond a few months ago, and anhaga linked me to this very moving clip by Jacob Bronovski from the Ascent of Man. He enters the same pond. It's one of the best YouTube links anyone has ever linked to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jl2w3xYFHQ


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 173

Effers;England.


When I say ashes I mean tiny bone fragments.


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 174

Effers;England.


smiley - blush I just realised I did a Godwin's Law.

Now a lot of clever people here will make that point...or just think it sitting at their keyboards.

I only found out what Godwin's Law was recently.

The clever people here are welcome to their smartness though. I'll choose visiting Auchwitz and listening to Jacob Bronovski over that any day.

(And now that's 3 posts in a row. I think the bureacrats describe that as 'flooding').


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 175

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Jaysus! Now she's moaning at people for doing something that only she did.


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 176

Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am...

Nah, you're safe Effers... Godwin's Law is comparing other posters or opinions to Nazis. smiley - ok


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 177

Effers;England.


I always love it when you lapse into 'Jaysus'...almost as good as 'whisper' or 'Frs'

But yeah the holocaust subject is a sensitive one for me.

(And yes 'flooding' is something I've been on various punishment routines here for since the dawn of the new order..)


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 178

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Whereas Effers Law is blaming them for whatever she decides they might be secretly thinking of doing. smiley - smiley


Neville Chamberlain - the abominable appeaser?

Post 179

Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am...

Surely by that logic you'd be better off calling it "75% of Internet Users' Law"?


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Post 180

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Please think about what you just typed Effers. In relation to the Holocaust, your personal sensitivities are not unique.


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