h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

No. That's Stephen King's "Crito".

no idea what crito is!!!

It's one of Plato's Dialogues. The issues that Iluvatar needs to deal with were dealt with very nicely in Ancient Athens. There really is no need for him to reinvent the philosophical wheel.

Hi Taff; Let's try for a Cerberus moment... still waiting for my third pup.

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so slavery and confining women to the house???????

are we mixing him up with warner????

hydra insults

oi! wind your neck in!!!!

No. I was thinking of the individual's responsibility to the collective and the collective's responsibility to the individual.


But your mention of women's rights (and the restriction of same) brings me back to something I was wondering earlier . . .


Iluvatar:

Does a woman have a right to have her pregnancy aborted? Does the state or the father of the child or anyone else have the right to force a woman to become a mother?

collective responsabillity

i'm with pit's earlier comments

there is no I in team, if you dont like it, you are free to go to where you do like it, prefrably far away.....or a compound in utah

ah, so you've read Plato's Crito after all.

no not read it

philosophy is




to me

well. there we have it. Taff has not read Plato's Crito and yet has managed to state a nice paraphrase of that work, arrived at through independent reasoning. Apparently rational, logical thought simply leads to certain fundamental conclusions.

So much for the accusation that we're all just parroting authority.

"Your reasoning is absolutely nothing more than:

taxation is theft.

theft is naughty.

governments shouldn't tax.


if that's worth a 4.0 then the rest of this lot deserves a perfect 10."

Funny it seems quite a simple logical argument to me. quite lower on the difficulty level that anything else I've got goint on.

without taxation how would society work????

"Does a woman have a right to have her pregnancy aborted? Does the state or the father of the child or anyone else have the right to force a woman to become a mother?"

Two completely different questions with nothing to do with each other. I believe you mean to ask, "Does a woman have a right to end the life a a human being." I believe every human has the same rights, and therefore if a woman takes the life of someone else, regardless of size, she should be punished with a prison sentence at the very least. But then there are some who would say a baby is not human, and on their premises, it is fine for the woman to kill the non-human baby.

The second question has absolutely nothing to do with the first. By the time a woman is pregnant, unless it was rape, she has made her choice to be a mother. Should she have the "right" to kill her 1 year old? How about her 5 year old child? What if she decides she no longer wants to be a mother after her chld turns ten?

"without taxation how would society work????"

Haha why do you all keep saying the same thing? Isn't this beside the point? I said theft is immoral. You all try to argue that taxation is not immoral, therefore it is not theft. But how cn you conclude something on the premise that taxation is moral, when a deeper premise assumes taxation is immoral? You have no reasoning for taxation being moral, only that you believe it is moral, and therefore alright by you. This is merely you saying "I like it, so its ok". Not a logical statement by the loosest definition.

...a deeper premise deciding tax is immoral - de deeper premise being you, of course?

<<By the time a woman is pregnant, unless it was rape, she has made her choice to be a mother. <<

You are wrong. If a woman wants to be a mother, she gets pregnant and won´t think of abortion unless the feto develops serious misformations or there exist a high risk of life in the mother, as it may happens, for instance, with high blood pressure.

Women can get pregnant without wanting it. Then, they have to take the decision about to carry out an abortion or not, a situation NO woman likes. What women need is the right to choose and the services to help her.
Send them to jail? what a madness.
There are many reasons why a woman may decide to have an abortion, the most usual ones are:

-a young woman, who isn´t emotional nor mature enough to be a mother.
-a woman who already has children, and economically can´t afford for more.
there are as many reasons as women are.

And there´s also a limit stablished by law about when a pregnant woman can´t have an abortion. When the pregnancy is advanced.

Abortion is a right any woman must have. Abortion is a nasty experience as nasty as accusing women of being criminal for that.

Women give birth, women decide. No one has that right on My body nor on My life.

Right, taking inspiration from some of the masterful work Clive once did with warner and the age of the Earth, lets get right down to basic principles.

Illuvatar, you've said you agree there should be a state that forbids murder, theft and rape and be able to punish transgressions against those rules, correct?

Given that you don't accept democracy as an idea, I need to find your opinions on justice: do you believe criminals have the right to a jury of their peers, or judgement by judges, or something else?

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Even more to the point, given that you don't believe in democracy, is how is this state to be constituted (and paid for)? No matter how minimal the state those two questions are still fundamental.

Noggin

That's my next step Noggin.