h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

<>

90% of the universe is missing this must be GOD and now we need to change dark energy in to light or good energy because GOD can't be dark.................................

Ah, you're confusing 'material' with 'matter'

Both 'matter' and 'energy' are material, since both may consistently be observed directly or by their effects upon other material forms

The 'immaterial' creatures of the superstitious mind are neither matter nor energy, and thus cannot be observed as they have no existence apart from imagination, fantasy and myth. The immaterial can only be brought into existence by the fearful and deluded, who are in turn taken advantage of by evil men, the psychopathic or power-mad.

Or next Easter state that 'ye canna change the laws of physics, Jim and as the Bible came first our physics win...na na na na na nahhhh! Thhpppptttt!!!!!'

Which will make as much sense as anything else he witters on about especially wittle itty bitty holes in condoms that let the HIV virus through and limbo...oh hang on...they changed their mind on limbo a few years ago because it just sounded too absurd dot dot dot...dot dot dot...

Last wquote was for the Pope if you didn;t realise...

Sorry folks,

I've had a long day of travelling

See you later, God willing

<>

hypothesys..............now show us an experiment to prove/dis prove your hypotesys with re producable results and we might have a theory about the nature of god?!?!?!?!

If your God is all-knowing, it is incapable of willing anything

...

But that's a whole other discussion

warner


And if your god isn;t willing what? He'll let you die before next time? Let us die? Destroy the world?

Isn't that another pithy statement which once again highlights the egotistical, masochistic tendencies of your god?

And don;t say 'you're just joking' etc because it's a phrase that Xtians use all the time so it must be something you all believe.

'And don;t say 'you're just joking' etc because it's a phrase that Xtians use all the time so it must be something you all believe.'

actually, it doesn't really have to be something they all believe. After all, as I've pointed out somewhere, once each week they dedicate a day to Tyr, one to Woden, another to Thor, one to Frig, One to Saturn, a sixth to the Moon and, of course, their sabbath is dedicated to the Sun. At least unbelievers are consistent in saying its all tradition, none of it is ultimate, religious Truth.



Now I'm going to go back to a number of ordinary household items which are remarkably pre-adapted to assembly into a new structure well able to produce a certain flammable beverage.

the home made still i asume?????

let us know how its done i am intrigued???

'let us know how its done i am intrigued???'


prayer, of course.





Seriously, *I've heard* that one might find an inexpensive pressure cooker, about ten feet of 3/8 inch OD copper pipe, a few brass fittings, and a plastic bucket.

*I've heard* that after five minutes with a simple pipe bender, a knife, and a few wrenches followed by a heat source and some sort of fermented concoction and one would be in business, as it were.


Disclaimer: Illegal in most jurisdictions, although I hear the New Zealanders are more enlightened than most.


Health Warning for those daft enough to try this: The first 100 ml or so out of a 2 litre batch is largely methanol. Discard.

I'm quite interested to understand where this desire to persist with ideology, which basically stinks of the abject passivity, in 21st century scientifically, technologically educated societies, comes from. I refer to the Abrahmics. Yes they are a hotch potch of different bizarre ideas, but it does seem that what they all have in common is a desire to enduringly subjugate themselves to the concept of a parent figure.

Other faiths/spiritualities may not be any more 'true' in a scientific sense but to me they are often far less abject in their conceptions of supernatural. They make more sense to me in that education is often much more limited and less longstanding historically.

We all of us suffer in the same way, as life is nasty brutal and short, and often very painful, but most of us refuse to abdicate our intellectual self respect and opt for the deeply cowardly position in the face of universal suffering.

I wonder what it is in the psychology of some people that enables them to infantalise themselves and take positive pleasure in viewing themselves as passive and inferior to a supernatural mummy/daddy conception?

Plenty of us have been through hard times....really hard times but we don't succumb to this thing. We'd feel ashamed of our 'lack' and turning our backs on what all common sense shouts out; but some just seem to positively revel in thinking of themselves as 'children'.

I'm particularly horribly fascinated by those who are 'reborn' into various shades of yellow in later life, and are so very very happy to still live with themselves.

Ed

>Fine. Call suffering a 'mystery' if you wish. But at least acknowledge that it's evidence against an omnipotent, omnibenovelent god.<

No I won't abandon my faith in God. If there is a God who created us then he is going to be 'outside of creation'. Therefore, it stands to reason that there's going to be a heck of a lot about him that is outside of our current knowledge. He's revealed some of himself to us. You cannot put someone in the dock and throw the book at them when you know that you only have a very small percentage of the facts. Get my point?

Mikey2

Taff,

>> light is energy, energy is god, angels are gods <<

No, I'm saying what is light? Where does it come from?
( I do'nt mean, the sun etc. )

>> fallen angels are demons, 4th type there then <<

No, again, the 'fallen angel' I think you're referring to, iblees ( who became ), was the most pious jinn (ghost/spirit).
He used to spend most of his time with the angels.

Angels worship their 'Creator' without fault (sin).
Mankind & jinns are all sinners.

Pride caused iblees to become , because he disobeyed God.

>> all the animals of the field and birds of the air and fishes of the sea....no mention of clay there <<

All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
The Lord God made them all.

Each little flower that opens, ...


Taff, I didn't write that, it was written by another Believer.
I used to sing that when I was 'little'.
Call it brainwashing, if you like!

People who worship God regularly don't tend to be the people who **start** wars.

<>

This is what is so frustrating. We've come full circle, with all the intervening argument ignored, and we still have not a hint of a clue as to what non-material means, or how it differs from material.

Noggin

If you want my opinion Warner, your theology is very weird. I struggled to keep up with god-as-energy but Jinns , demons and angels ?

Sounds like a real mixture of Islam and Christianity and probably a few others.


>>People who worship God regularly don't tend to be the people who **start** wars.<<
Factual Inaccuracy Alarm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkOCIfNQXP0


What is light? Where does it come from?
All light is comprised of photons. Photons are quanta of the electromagnetic field. The visible spectrum of electromagnetic radiation is what we call light and is the radiation that with a wavelength that can be decoded by the retina. Specifically between 400 (blue) and 700 (red) nanometres.

Some sources of light include:
Stars, including the Sun - yes I know you said not to mention it, but it's a fact, deal with it.
Quasars,
Nebulae
Lightning
Aurora,
Bioluminescence,
Combustion
Magma


Now you may object, "that not what I meant/asked!" Well I'm sorry but your question doesn't make sense otherwise. Light *is* electromagnetic radiation. Einstein (who you so liberally site), also theorised light itself was quantised. (hence wave/particle duality) experiments in quantum physics proved this to be true and named the quanta of light as the photon. And from this scintinating bit of knowledge we get CD players medical lasers optical networks and all the colours of the rainbow. Pretty cool huh?

But if you are doing, as you did with energy, calling something which is clearly not light, the same as something which in physics has a very precise definition backed up by testable evidence and hypotheses, in order to prop up your theology - then that is clearly obfuscation. And this is just not a tolerable form of debate, I expect it to be ridiculed quiet thoroughly.

obfuscate verb [ trans. ] to render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.

What the dickens does 'Something along the lines of energy' mean?












Is god something along the lines of a brick?

Dipoler Disorder?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_dipole_moment

>>If there is a God who created us then he is going to be 'outside of creation'.<<

Please excuse me if I am misinterpreting, but are you claiming your God is separate and distinct from the universe?

If so, in the selfsame paragraph you go on to say..

>>He's revealed some of himself to us.<<

Which appears to suggest that this supernatural extra-universal entity has indeed impinged upon our natural universe in a detectable fashion.

With all due respect, can you understand how these two claims appear mutually exclusive?

(btw, we have discussed this contradiction, rather extensively, much earlier on this very thread, almost two years ago..)

Simply: An extra-universal entity that remains so is irrelevant to our existence, because by definition the entity must remain 'outside'(whatever that means), or risk losing that particular defining characteristic.

A being 'outside creation' can have no effect whatsoever, and is therefore completely meaningless, except possibly as an amusing speculation.

If the entity does detectably intervene in our universe it is no longer an extra-universal entity*. One cannot have both characteristics, just as cubic spheres cannot exist.

Put another way: God cannot intervene, even to the point of 'dipping His toe' into our universal pond, without measurable effect, thus relinquishing that convenient 'outside creation' aspect.

I must also point out that claiming God is 'outside creation' is inconsistent with the Divine characteristic of omnipresence...

~~~

*There are, of course, problems with claims of an intervening God, but we'll leave those aside pending clarification of the current issue.

~~~

warner -- Do not walk, run, to your nearest library and borrow Dr. Carl Sagan's 'The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark'


Ed >> Is god something along the lines of a brick?<<

See post 14162

Like gravity that sends you up one moment then drags you down the next.