h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

I'll keep my request simple.

Warner, can you answer the questions I put to you in 14121 and 14123 please?

To make this easy for you, I've reproduced them below.

1.) Is your god the sum total of all forms of energy?

2.) Does you god behave in ways which are predictable i.e will be conserved or will do a defined amount of work?

3.) It is possible to measure how much potential energy a ball has by dangling it underneath a newton meter. Do you think that god is the energy the ball has?

4.)I don't see how 'god as energy' is supposed to listen to prayers, have children, save the imperilled, forgive sins etc.

Does you god-as-energy do any of those things?


5.) You've previously said to me, you can't imagine life evolving without 'oversight'
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And here you've stated your view that you think there is no material evidence for god.

So which is it?


6.) Is your position that god is material and is energy?

Because having a definitive answer on that would help.


Clive.

Why do I keep thinking of 2001 A Space Odyssey?



Oh, I know:

God is a brick!

((>> we can show you a brick <<

Has that evolved as well?))

yes it has! it started out as a mixture of mud and dung with some straw mixed in and then dried, it went through less mud more clay, less straw more horse hair and it went from being sundried to being fired.

and now we have concrete blocks and thermocrete blocks

sounds like evolution to me

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I'm sorry Dave? I can't allow you to say that!

Reminds me of an old Garfield cartoon.


'Life evolved from simple things to more complex things. '

'For example.'

Odie, evolved from a rock. *pant* *Pant* Slurrrrp..


Ewww....



I always think creationists evolved from really dense rocks. Really, really dense, thick, solid rock....

>> Warner: What is it like existing in the 21st century <<

Very frustrating, and worrying!

Just open the ^%$^$$#!! pod-bay door, Hal!

>> god is a brick!>>

I'm sorry Dave? I can't allow you to say that! <<

I was serious about praying for the healing of the young lady's finger and I was serious in my request that you, as a person of faith, do it as well because I am honest in both my desire to see her healed and my doubt in the strength of any faith I might bring to the process. And, in humility, I did pray last night. And, in hope (and in misplaced trust in your faith in the power of prayer) I checked the fingers today.

and the stock answer you will get from the god botherer is

"dont ask what god can do for you, ask what can you do for god".

its all sound bites and formula, ignoring the bad and fitting in the good stuff to make god look good

I'm sure you're all familiar with the following ...

I have learnt and firmly believe that there are 3 distinct creatures/beings:

Angels (made of light)
Jinns aka spirits (made of fire)
Men/women (made of clay aka material)

Just seemed relevant ...

Oh, and of course.

Creatures presumably have to be 'created'.

warner
<>> Warner: What is it like existing in the 21st century <<

Very frustrating, and worrying!>

Does it stwain your wittle bwian?

Are you worried that religion will become so irrelevant you might have to paradigm shift your mindset and realise the world has moved away from stone age superstition and that you might just have to try to make your brain understand grown-up concepts?

Worrying that the world is so much more complicated than what it says in a 2000year old book?

It doesn't worry me. Iyt doesn't worry me that I do not totally understand the concepts but I can get enough of an appreciation by reading books that explain at the right level of the incredible complex mathematical concepts involved in how the universe works. There is alot of it that I read but do not totally believe as it is so fundamentally theoretical and not yet proven but enough is to make me realise that some supernatural being isn't required.

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Who says I can only *see* it as an abstract quantity? That was a *definition*, which is something quite different. I'm open to suggestions as to a better one.

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Which would make god a material being?

Noggin

I'm sure you've heard this, warner:


light is made of photons, detectable by a large number of artificial instruments.

fire is plasma, detectable by a large number of artificial instruments.



bricks are made of clay, detectable by any with eyes to see or ears to hear.


please offer us to a link to the report of experiments in which angelic photons or spiritual plasma have been detected under controlled conditions by artificial instruments.


I'll find a brick on my own.

Warner, post 14161. Please at least deign to reply.

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light is energy, energy is god, angels are gods

fallen angels are demons, 4th type there then

jinns are fire, fire is energy, jinns are gods

are jins demons as well??

man made of clay woman made of mans rib, you mean

first wanted to get on top and was cast out and a better less feminist version made

all the animals of the field and birds of the air and fishes of the sea....no mention of clay there

Mmm,

So, energy and mass are 'equivalent' or related.
To me, that doesn't make them =.

Material can be explained as a storage (or field) of energy which can be released
for example, in an atomic explosion.

Electromagnetic radiation is not material, imo.
It can be detected and measured, yes.

I am reminded of a comment some time ago by Blatherskite the Mugwump. He described modern paganism as taking Dungeons and Dragons too seriously.

It it clear now that this applies to all religions. Far from being fixed in their time of origin, they adapt by incorporating popular narratives into their mythologies over time. Unfortunately, they are not very discerning.

At present, a convenient irritating plot device in pulp science fiction is to explain things away with dark energy. I predict that, within the next three years, a major religious figure (most likely the Dalai Lama) will leap onto this particular bandwagon and attempt to fit it into their theology.

In addition to this, some phrase along the lines of "we only know what makes up x% of the universe" will be used repeatedly by fraudsters. It may even come to rival "we only use 10% of our brains".

Either that or the Pope will start talking about God's work through inverse tachyon fields.

Sorry Clive,



>> Is your god the sum total of all forms of energy? <<

No. I am not specifically saying that God is electromagnetic radiation,
but I'm suggesting something along those lines is perhaps worth considering.

>> I don't see how 'god as energy' is supposed to listen to prayers,
have children, save the imperilled, forgive sins etc.
Does you god-as-energy do any of those things? <<

My hypothesised one, yes.

>> Is your position that god is material and is energy? <<

I've answered that above, I think. Not material!