h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

I don't know much about Shakespeare, read his works and liked them (well, except the sonnets...) but that's about it, so I'll try and steer clear of that discussion for now, interesting as it is.

Weather? Hmm... When is weather used? There's Caradhras (sp?) of course, and the darkness that spreads from Mordor. The wind... yes, the wind is used quite a bit isn't it? When Aragorn and Legolas sing for Boromir, they ask the North, South and West winds for tidings, but not the East, and before Pelennor, the wind changes, there's hope again...

Lord Valkyrie, I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by your post, but even more by your name. Isn't it a bit self-contradictory?


cheers
~Bistro (refusing to think before he type)

Oh and have you seen this:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,10291,1162930,00.html
Linked to by Otto Fisch in this thread: F19585?thread=396128


cheers
~Bistro

And they recognised his divinity for lo every word he spake had a capital letter.

Re weather .
I found the storm bursting over the opposing armies at Helms Deep quite moving ,( this is in the films .) Standing as a member of a disciplined force on a killing ground in a cold driving rain , it just bought home the Medeival savagery of it .
On the villains thing , for me the one big flaw in the books is the black or white character of the cast, no jokes pleeeese about Gandalf the Puce.

Lord Valkyrie! Thank heavens! We could not have waited a moment longer without you. Take a seat. Have a donut.

So, back to this weather thing. Is the sky expressing emotion? Or is it just a reflection of the things that are happening on the land below.

Oooops! I *meant* Theoden Sho!

Patrick Stewart would have made a terrible Theoden!

Look at the complete Pig's Ear he made of Leondegras in 'Excalibur'.

Luckily we got the very much better Bernard Hill instead and I'm delighted with that casting.
Patrick has his share of the limelight with the X-Men series,in which he's really very good.

Thing is, New Zealand has more and harder rain at all times than anywhere except that town in Norway that has rain 364/365 days a year!
I admire the Maori guys playing orcs having to a haka to keep out the cold of the night shoots.
Where did Jackson get the *nice* weather from?

Is your Chancellor called Gordon Brown, or Gordon Bennett?

I still think there is a distinction between how a villan sees himself and how he acknowledges others see him, the motives of the characters for acting in spite seem to more important than their awareness that they are acting in such a way; BUT:

It seems to me
we will not agree
so moving on
villans I percieve
often deceive.

Lord Valkire

{Puts on silly vaguely mid european accent)
Could it be you feel some ambiguity about your gender?
Do you vish to talk about zis?
Tell me only ze good things which come into your mind about your mother.

"It seems to me
we will not agree
so moving on
villans I percieve
often deceive"

Why quibble over villainy
when both of us are right, you see
what matters is psychology
when the bad guy's writ realistic'lee

But Bill predates, historically
all pretence of rationality
his villains, living large they be
so that the audience can see!

If I may pop back to the weather thing?

When they were trapped in the snow, the way Galdalf talked about it, for me at least, it was almost as though he thought Sauron and the mountain were working together against the fellowship.

In fact, that is one of the most excellent aspects of the film: the lighting. All that lovely diffused light in the shire, and the bare dark low-lighting in Mordor, the cold clear blue skies of Rohan...

No, Bill knew more psychology
Than Freud, Jung, Adler, sorry three
They're trotting way back in the rear
Behind the chap who wrote King Lear

(That's King Bloody Lear in the World According To Sho)

Sorry, couldn't find a decent rhyme for Hamlet.

aka Piglet...

Hehe.

Shakespeare debate in rhyme! It should be an olympic sport.
What's more it makes you think about your every retort!
Even though you were unable to rhyme poor old Hamlet
This just goes to show a thing works better when you plan it.

So was the Bard the precursor of psychology clinical
Or was he simply using personalities lyrical?
We'll never know, the man is dead
and this whole discussion deserves it's own thread.

*sits in corner, hands on ears, rocking backwards and forwards*

I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you

Sorry.

It's just so hard to stop when you get going.

I was bemoaning the lack of a smiley elsewhere just now...

why don't you lot get off to the Grimley Moer thread, that's been empty for a while (hint hint)