h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

"Treaties prevent war and violence because they offer alternatives to those sorts of resolutions. To abrogate treaties is to invite violent reprisal and the sort of thing that's happening in the middle east right now." - Agreed, and it's apparent that elements of white America agree with you. However, your use of rhetoric and racist commentary alienates the very people who you could have made into invaluable allies.

"Now, there's not enough of us left to pose a credible military threat to the United States. As an AIM activists observed in the 1970s, you can't fight tanks with pea shooters." - Agreed, so let's just stop all this rubbish talk of violent reprisals. It's a waste of bits.

"All we can do is appeal to people's respect for the law and their good sense." - The way to do that is to demonstrate respect for the law, and demonstrate good sense. Thus far, your behavior has only damaged your case. If you demonstrate disrespect of the law, then why should anyone use that law for your benefit?

"If they possess neither, then eventually they will be victimized as they have victimized others." - Agreed. So why not try to win the hearts and minds, rather than immediately assuming everyone is your enemy? What you're doing here is the conversational equivalent of carpet-bombing, when you should be working with the divisive elements within your enemy, clearly identifying your targets, and avoiding innocent casualties.

"Now, that ought to be enough. We already been over the same old crap excuses that we've been getting for hundreds of years." - Nobody is offering excuses. Well, maybe Saturnine is. I'm pretty sure you haven't suffered for hundreds of years, though. I get the impression you're quite younger than that.

"So nothing changes except, when we're gone, who will you swindle then? Each other?" - I don't remember swindling anybody, and I certainly didn't take any land. This is the sort of carpet-bombing I'm talking about. You are hurting your own cause. I'm sure your tribal elders (or whatever) would be disappointed with your conduct here.

WTF?

What excuses am I offering?

Don't start throwing accusations against me, just because I am known for being argumentative.

Darn it. Someone got to the point before me. *I* was going to mention that the Shoshoni, Paiute, Ute and Apache obtained their lands from someone else. I can't think of a single ethnic/racial group that can lay claim to having occupied a certain piece of ground for millions of years. The only people who ever came across unoccupied land were arguably the Polynesians who settled the islands of the eastern Pacific and, of course, the first humanoids who migrated out of Africa.

Where in your study of human history Analiese did you find those treaties that have been honored for all time? I'd be curious, because everyone one that I can think of--from Bush's reneging on the Anti-Ballistic Nuclear Missile Treaty with the Russians on back--has been broken. Face it. It's human nature. It's time to stop arguing about the past and try to work towards the future.

And before you accuse me of breaking any treaties, my family didn't land in America until the turn of the last century. If you want to claim my people had something to do with US government policy, keep in mind that we were toiling in the foundries of Cologne, Germany and farming the hillsides above Sevastopol, Ukraine when the US Army was forcing Native Americans off their lands. I find it really hard to get upset that Czar Alexander II forced us off our property.

Um. Apologies if this is in the spirit of some kind of hippy ethic...but there is NO SUCH THING as unoccupied land.

What about the animals and plants that came before humans crashed into view and started demolishing land?

Land belongs to no one. It is facile to lay permanent claim to it, as it is facile to define a person by the country that they come from.

Surely that's a valid point?

*What would I have you do? Deal fairly for a change, that's all. Play fair, share, take turns, tell truth. You learned in kindergarten, right?*

So you believe you will force goverment agencies to redress past abominations by accusing persons who are online and not of your choosen bloodline the depraved spawn of all that is evil ?

The very people who are are interested enough in world issues to come to international sites like this and interact in forums discussing world problems. In all probability a grouping of people who at the least are literate, educated and at best could be the very people who as an ally could help you.

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Just remember, I started the *Ignore me, no, please* site as well.

What does "BUH!" mean?

Howdy, stranger. I hope you have some sort of flame retardant suit when that one is answered. I don't know, but I am sure the lady has an explaination.

Hi Zoomer. If you're foredestined to be wrong, why worry?

And I have never been to Canada, but have long lusted to take that transcontinental railroad trip.

I wish to apologise unreservedly for the canadianbacon-handed behaviour of my government in messing up a previously open border and for all the yocks who refuse to sell gas to Canadians or who are behave in otherwise unjustifiabl insulting ways.

Canada also gave us Joni Mitchell, Neil Young and Gordon Lightfoot, not to mention the only prime minister in recorded history to base government policy on seances. It is a shame that all political leaders are not required to do this.

My friend, you are a wise and learned man. Have an .

No need to apologise, we are no saints.

Hell, have another they're small.

But you forgot the best of all of them- Leonard Cohen!

Ah yes, Leonard Cohen. A great poet, but I feel somewhat equivocal about his singing ability.

I am very concerned about this BUH! business. I am afraid the young lady may have been spitting at us. And, as you know, if there is one thing that is unconditionally forbidden on Hootoo, it is spitting.

Please, let me buy the next round of .

By the way, I am female, although at my age and given the unisex way I dress, you might be forgiven for not realizing this. Also, you may have been speaking of me the way the sailors did of Queen Victoria, to wit "God Save the Queen, a very fine gentleman!" Many have remarked on my stateliness.

Ooops, my apologies. You are a wise and learned woman, in that case. Or do you prefer another more PC term for your sexuality?

Spitting bad. Unknown native insults bad as well. I honestly don't know, but I am sure we have called down the hornet's nest by just talking about it.

Thanks for the but it is dinner time for me, shall we switch to a ?

Geez Zoomer, i don't get around to checking the thread for a couple of days and i return to find Oka being refought with napalm strikes and claymores. Yikes!

A few hundred posts back someone threw up a white flag (sorry, no pun intended) and asked if there was such a thing as Canadian cuisine.
There is, and no it is not what Martin Mull told us about (oatmeal and a cup of warm tap water): Habitant pea soup, tortiere, poutine, newfie screech, seal flipper pie, jugged moose and hare, peameal bacon and Ottawa valley cheddar. Maple anything, I think, can also be considered Canadian.
Canadian beer, as observed earlier, is excellent, the best of it is absolutely second to none and even the lamest is still better than the standard brands south of the border. It probably deserves its own thread
i recently posted a description of canadian breakfasts in the breakfasts round the world forum that was lately on the front page.

Please don't lets resume the flame wars on indigenous peoples and their history, I am part mohawk and all ornery!

*goes to find her pointy sticks*

BTW - there were no flame wars on any indiginous people. More the other way around.

The world is a great mongrel race anyway. Don't see how anyone can be racist with all the immigrating that happens!



Be nice to each other. Please.

*goes to find her pointy sticks*

BTW - there were no flame wars on any indiginous people. More the other way around.

The world is a great mongrel race anyway. Don't see how anyone can be racist with all the immigrating that happens!



Be nice to each other. Please.

I believe that 'BUH' is simply the native American spelling of 'BAH',
as in humbug.
It is less sheepish than the Brit version and quite understandably has that extra punch of phonetic resonance to indicate total in your face exaspiration. A more temperate variation might be 'Aw phooey!' but that would have made no impression here.


~jwf~

At the risk of incurring wrath, Canadian cooking also includes native influences like alder hard/sweet smoked salmon ("candy") out here and birch syrup, etc. Not to mention our advances in the veggie field! http://www.yvesveggie.com/splash.php

Sat- Oka was the natives against the whites in Canada just so you know.

Well, now that we are all settled in and comfortable again, we may actually have answered the question. I think that generally the answer is no and we are all a bunch of paranoids reacting to a few bad examples.

In any case, this thread was (and is) an excellent example of why I like it here.

Indeed. If that's a Moosehead by the way, I'll join ya. though it is.

- JD

I'd like to mention that my people came to the United States *through* Canada rather than Ellis Island. Can I consider myself a bit Canadian because of that? As part of my application, I'd like the judges to consider I enjoy the music of Gordon Lightfoot, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young and I consider the Canadian Rockies to be one of the most beautiful places on ...