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More is being claimed than premoderation:

"note, to date the owner of the Hoovooloo account has not even been notified of the reason why the account was put on premod at approximately 15:00, much less why the account was prevented from posting altogether at around 19:30" - F55683?thread=258430&post=3147768#p3147768

RhoMuNuQ

Actually, no. If someone is on premoderation, then they have not been banned. Someone who has been banned has their account stopped from posting completely -- someone who's on premoderation simply has to have their posts checked by a moderator before they appear. The very fact of someone being on premoderation would mean that they are not banned, as far as I can tell.

And again, let's stop and think about this -- we have someone who's using an account the editors (at least Mina, anyway) *know* is his. He's posting on the site saying he's been banned. If he had been banned, they would have closed the account he's currently using. The fact that they haven't is pretty significant evidence that he hasn't been actually been banned.

Let's be clear -- there's an *incredible* amount of difference between banning someone and placing them on premoderation.

Mikey

I know the difference between a ban and premoderation. What I meant was that the original account was certainly on premoderation - as can be told from its personal space - but that it was being *claimed* that the account had also been banned.

Sorry for not making my original post clearer - I wrote it quickly.

RhoMuNuQ

What about not being able to use your account?

Ah!

OK. I was confused. It's not a joke. It's on premod, which is as good as a banned for Hoo. I'm sure he won't post from a pre-modded account. It's just too much hassle.

Sorry, I thought it was a bit strange for Hoo!

- Jordan

frankly cant say I am surprised.

antagonising the ivory tower by creating multiple accounts etc and then using them to troll/flame the powers that be is pretty damned stupid.

Hoo,

I'm going to say this and then I'm going to unsubscribe - I don't say this in the interest of debate, just a plea for temperance.

I really feel you need to disconnect some, by which I mean retire your emotional investment in 'the building'. Hard to do, I know, or I wouldn't still be here keeping in touch with folks I've come to care about, waiting for a Quiz That Is question I can actually answer (la lutta continua).

It's needless to say, unhealthy at times, and with what limited knowledge I have of you, potentially very debilitating - having been there, suffered for it, and made a perfect arse of myself in the process, I can be quite sure this will not be good for you. Let it go. Let Justin do his worst. Let the BBC legislate free speech if they must, but for your own sake take it easy on yourself.

Take care, Hoo.

Chris

Hi Master B .

Hoo is not the only one to engage Justin's particularly nasty brand of hatred and intolerance. I, and others, have also opposed him. We have carefully deconstructed his declamations and exposed the ugly truth beneath.

Why then is it that we have not been put on moderation also? I know that Hoo has a particularly passionate mode of speech which makes him an easier target, but the intent and the result are the same.

What I would really like to know is that given the present laws on inciting racial, religious and sex hatred why are the moderators not withdrawing Justin's priveleges also (before someone sues them for publishing his words)?

Blessings,
Matholwch the Apostate /|\.

Thank you Matholwch,

You've summed up very nicely my feelings in your post. Every post of mine that has been removed (in regards to Justin, by presumably Justin) was moderated because "it contains content that other readers may find offensive", even when they were pretty tame. It makes you wonder why Justin is allowed to continue, when Hoo is not.

Are we next?

Ste

Very possibly Ste.

Or as we used to say... NeKZT. (whisper it...)

On the subject of being banned - at the risk of repeating myself - I haven't been banned. A transitory glitch in the system last night prevented me from posting to h2g2 - and TOLD me, specifically, in English on the screen that I was restricted from posting to h2g2. I took this to mean I was banned, and reacted accordingly. I did NOT troll the Editors. I merely made it known I had been banned, and invited comment.

One of the Editors asked me to check the account again, as she did not believe I had been banned. I reacted at first quite indignantly, but I did check the account again. And the glitch had gone. And I was able to post again (still premodded of course).

So that's the tale of the ban. I apologise for wasting people's time with my reaction to what was almost certainly just a spectacularly badly timed technical fault.

H.

What hoovooloo is saying is that all his posts are being put onto pre-moderation, and they are *also* being referred by the moderators. Normally, pre-moderated posts become visible after 30-60 mins, but HVL's posts are staying invisible.

You don't mind me clarifying your comments, do you, HVL?

IE, compare:

> "This Posting has been temporarily hidden, because a member of our Moderation Team has referred it to the Community Team for a decision as to whether it contravenes the House Rules in some way. We will do everything we can to ensure that a decision is made as quickly as possible."

with:

> "This Posting is currently queued for moderation, and will be visible as soon as a member of our Moderation Team has approved it (assuming it doesn't contravene the House Rules). The Researcher who posted it is currently being pre-moderated, so all new Postings they make must be checked before they become visible."

See the difference?

Not at all. Lay on MacDuff, and damn'd be him that first cries "Enough!".

Note to moderators - the above quotation is safely out of copyright.

They may be referring them because of high workload due to

(1) the new moderation policy due to the war (BOY did the management pick an excellent time to put me on premod)

(2) me being a wordy person (boy did they pick an excellent person to put on premoderation...)

(3) me deciding that an excellent use of moderator's time is scanning lots and lots and lots of stream of consciousness nonsense just on the off chance I might combine my qualification in chemical engineering with an irresponsible streak which would lead me to bury in amongst the nonsense something bad, like, say, a method of making ricin. I would never do such a thing of course, but if you put a severely brassed off person with a professional background like mine on premod, you can't be sure without checking.

So that's probably why my messages are going to the bottom of the pile. Pique, I call it. Or possibly that word doesn't mean what I think it means.

H.

Well, if you're going to be like that, then I just won't bother!

Sheesh, you try and be helpful...

I don't think it's systematic Lucinda, I seem to recall having seen some of H's posts appear quiet quickly... (Feel free to correct me on this one H if I'm wrong)...

Maybe the moderator on duty is feeling a little jumpy today (which could be understandable) and if they have the slightest doubt they're passing the buck up to the italics?

Are you psychic Lucinda or can you see something I can't



(referring to post 34)

LOL

The moderators probably are jumpy. The Editors have picked a spectacularly bad time to put someone on premoderation, they've picked a spectacularly bad reason for doing it - I'm guessing, since I STILL haven't been given any SPECIFIC reason why I'm on it - and they've picked a spectacularly bad person to put on it.

With talk of job cuts at BBCi, one has to question their judgement, and the possible future of the site if this kind of judgement is indicative of their performance in other areas....

H.

Do note also that not one of the choices I mentioned was a choice of mine - I have NO power in this situation.

H.

I confidently predict, Whisky, using my newfound psychic skills, that your hypothesis about the current situation is wrong. I very much doubt that "jumpy moderators" have anything to do with the situation.

Mind you, the last time I assumed that a problem was down to "jumpy moderators" and tried to work around it, I got myself an Official Warning. That was back in the day when we couldn't mention the FolKZ list over on topica. Ahh, memories.

oops - sorry HVL - simulpost!