A Conversation for Ask h2g2
Mullogg
turvy (Fetch me my trousers Geoffrey...) Posted Feb 16, 2004
mark...
...what backlog?! I didn't see any...
Speaking of extending words (fillum as an example) I have always thought that the Southern United States dialect was a shining example of the phenomenon.
turvy
Mullogg
~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum Posted Feb 16, 2004
>> ..extending words.. <<
The southern US is marked by a drawl that does indeed extend words and all the sounds there-in, as well as any sentence which they might compose. It is part of that sense of posh, in this case the imaginary world of plantation nobility which modelled itself on the fictional works of Sir Walter Scott. (The Confederate Flag is the Cross of Saint Andrew).
That particular drawl comes from Scottish immigrant dialects and the need to speak slowly and clearly when directing slave labourers who had no undertsanding of English, especially as spoken by Scots.
Strother Martins in 'Cool Hand Luke' said it best, 'What we have is failure to cummunicate'. If you listen carefully he says 'fay-ill-yure'.
'Fay-ill-yure' is a good example of wallowing in vowels other than the standard 'uh'. The 'i' sound appears often in words like exactly which get expanded to 'ex-acki-tally' or 'exackitally'.
~jwf~
Mullogg
~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum Posted Feb 16, 2004
>> ..'ex-acki-tally' or 'exackitally'. <<
Whenever two consonants come together, someone, somewhere will always try to stick a vowel-sound in betwixt 'em, somehow.
In many cases, as we've seen above, it the explosive sound of the consonant that has a resonant 'uh' sound, such as the letter T before R in words like trap, triumph and trophy which come out as sounding like TuhRap, TuhRiumph and TuhRophy.
But most other combinations of consonants seem to encourage other vowel sounds like the 'i' in 'exackitally'. SP for example, in words like sports, spectator or special, sometimes has a way of expanding - perhaps modelled on words like suspicious, support or soporiphic. If you listen you will hear 'sisports', 'soppectators' and 'suspecial'.
~jwf~
Mullogg
puppylove Posted Feb 17, 2004
Hm, don't think it's quite right, perceive it differently. Although I need to say that, of course, the area we are is a though Southern very specificly Southern, differently to Georgia or Alamabama.
Mullogg
Potholer Posted Feb 17, 2004
Though it's not uniquely American (and may be regional even in the US) there does seem to be a blurring and shortening that happens in some words
terrorist -> ter-ist/tourist
error -> errr
In the UK, 'library' often gets shortened to 'lie-bry', and one phrase from environmental movements - 'future generations' often to end up as 'fyute-gen-ray-shuns'
The common thread seems to be that word fragments containing 'r' are skipped or merged with their neighbours.
Mullogg
A Super Furry Animal Posted Feb 17, 2004
On a simmler note, people from the capital city of Scotland will insist they live in Embra.
In Victoria, Australia (Strylyer, even), you can live in Melbn.
And you can also visit that outpost of the UK, Norn Irn.
Mullogg
IctoanAWEWawi Posted Feb 17, 2004
and only this morning the train conductor (sorry, 'manager' !) announced we would shortly arriving at wolvrampton station (Wolverhampton). I also find the pronunciation differences between the USA city of Birmingham and the English city of Birmingham interesting. As far as I can recall, they are bir-MING'am and BIRminam respectively.
p.s. found this link elsewhere on t'web http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994685
report saying half of all languiages face extinction this century.
Presumably they don't mean a 50% reduction in the vocabulary of each individual language
Mullogg
A Super Furry Animal Posted Feb 17, 2004
The train announcement that always used to cheer me up was the one for people who were feeling a bit down, ignored by society, in need of a bit of TLC. "This train is for Gatwick Careport."
Mullogg
puppylove Posted Feb 17, 2004
You'll find it in any language, we are a bit lazy, and talking uses soooo much efforts.
Mullogg
Susanne - if it ain't broke, break it! Posted Feb 17, 2004
your little corector again, but I'm not sure about this one, Canicula:"...and talking uses sooo much efforts" I would say it is:and talking takes such an effort. but really not sure...
Mullogg
IctoanAWEWawi Posted Feb 17, 2004
'effort' singular would be correct. Presumably since it is a singular instance of effort. However the efforts of people to talk would be plural.
"your little corector"
Dare I mention this phrase?
Mullogg
You can call me TC Posted Feb 17, 2004
Very little seems to have been quoted from Strine - another condensed word which I think is really great.
Mullogg
Susanne - if it ain't broke, break it! Posted Feb 17, 2004
"dare I mention this phrase..."
hope I haven't said something that in reality has another meaning or anything...
I'm just following Canicula around and trying to corect her with my humble knowledge of English...but I think I should rather contribute something again than just being the anoying little whatever that I usually am.
so, a few days ago, I couldn't find an apropriate opposite of homesick, just some strange "wanderlust"? any ideas?
Mullogg
A Super Furry Animal Posted Feb 17, 2004
I think Ictoan was pointing out the irony of mis-spelling "corrector".
Key: Complain about this post
Mullogg
- 7461: Researcher 556780 (Feb 13, 2004)
- 7462: Beatrice (Feb 13, 2004)
- 7463: puppylove (Feb 15, 2004)
- 7464: plaguesville (Feb 16, 2004)
- 7465: turvy (Fetch me my trousers Geoffrey...) (Feb 16, 2004)
- 7466: ~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum (Feb 16, 2004)
- 7467: puppylove (Feb 16, 2004)
- 7468: ~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum (Feb 16, 2004)
- 7469: puppylove (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7470: Potholer (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7471: A Super Furry Animal (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7472: IctoanAWEWawi (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7473: A Super Furry Animal (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7474: puppylove (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7475: Susanne - if it ain't broke, break it! (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7476: IctoanAWEWawi (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7477: Researcher 556780 (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7478: You can call me TC (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7479: Susanne - if it ain't broke, break it! (Feb 17, 2004)
- 7480: A Super Furry Animal (Feb 17, 2004)
More Conversations for Ask h2g2
Write an Entry
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a wholly remarkable book. It has been compiled and recompiled many times and under many different editorships. It contains contributions from countless numbers of travellers and researchers."