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MMF - Keeper of Mustelids, with added P.M.A., is now in a relationship. Posted May 22, 2010
Let North Korea reach the cup final with South Korea as the other finalists?
Should be interesting?
MMF
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Christopher Posted May 22, 2010
Nuke the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
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Xanatic Posted May 22, 2010
It does seem like a conflict that could cause a lot of countries to get involved. This could get really bad.
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kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website Posted May 22, 2010
The Luddites were right!
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Mister Matty Posted May 22, 2010
I don't think anyone knows what to do and I think the North Korean government knows this all too well.
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Mister Matty Posted May 22, 2010
>It does seem like a conflict that could cause a lot of countries to get involved. This could get really bad.
Yeah, that's the worst problem. Another problem is who would do the fighting. The South Koreans have too much to lose, the Japanese are constitutionally *prevented* from getting involved, the Americans are already fighting expensive, unpopular wars in two countries against an enemy a great deal less well-armed than North Korea. Britain and France are tied-up in Afghanistan and don't consider North Korea a pressing issue for them anyway - they think the main nuclear threat is from Iran.
There's also the problem of the unknowable nature of North Korea. If invaded, the army might just desert en-mass or they might jump to the defence of the regime; nobody really knows. Pyongyang might have atomic bombs loaded on bombers ready to drop on Seoul or they might have no atomics at all beyond the one they successfully detonated a couple of years ago.
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Mister Matty Posted May 22, 2010
Then there's the problem of "peaceful containment" which has, supposedly, been going on for decades with little progress. The obvious solution is "sanctions against North Korea" but the North is already heavily sanctioned-against and its (somewhat necessary) policy of auturky means it's difficult to use commercial leverage against them.
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swl Posted May 22, 2010
The obvious solution (to my mind) is for China to absorb North Korea. Or is that too simplistic?
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Xanatic Posted May 22, 2010
I could see China getting into the conflict on North Korea´s side. Which might in turn bring in Japan, which might in turn bring in the US. Could be bad.
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Mister Matty Posted May 22, 2010
>The obvious solution (to my mind) is for China to absorb North Korea. Or is that too simplistic?
Way too simplistic, you might as well say "the obvious solution is for the United States to absord North Korea". The Pyongyang regime would resist equally any attempt by a foreign power (including South Korea which it refuses to recognise as a legitimate Korean government) because, no matter who it was, it would mean the end of the regime itself. North Korea's government, despite all the pomp about "Juche ideology" and uniting Korea, has little purpose beyond its own survival.
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Mister Matty Posted May 22, 2010
>I could see China getting into the conflict on North Korea´s side. Which might in turn bring in Japan, which might in turn bring in the US. Could be bad.
China's the big unknown factor here. Whether it ever *would* enter a war on the North's behalf is debatable, but just giving the indication that it might would be enough to cause the United States to withdraw the military option - like Russia, China is one of those countries that the US cannot afford a face-to-face military confrontation with except where its own survival is threatened. The whole of US foreign policy post-WWII has been about avoiding such direct confrontations and with good reason.
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Taff Agent of kaos Posted May 22, 2010
the sanctions route is allready blocked as north korean has said it will go to war if heavier sanctions are imposed
china would not have to face the US militarily, it has huge resurves of $$$$, in the current economic climate they could bankrupt The States
i think the best course would be 'regime change' with the assistance of china, i doubt he could sustain a war on two fronts
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Todaymueller Posted May 22, 2010
I would have thought China would be just as unhappy about having a 'nutter' in charge of one of its neighbours as anyone else. Maybe China taking over would be for the best. Cant say I would lose any sleep over it. And the N Koreans could hardly be worse off under chinese rule.
Anybody seen the triangular skyscrapper the N.Koreans have built in the capital ? Mad as a box of frogs it is.
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swl Posted May 22, 2010
oh thanks for that Todaymueller, I can't stop giggling now.
Ryugyong Hotel
from Wiki
The Ryugyong Hotel is a towering, 105-story, 1,083 foot empty concrete shell in Pyongyang, North Korea. If the building ever was completed it would be considered the world's largest hotel, and one of the tallest buildings in the world. Today however, the building remains uninhabited and unfinished.
The North Koreans began constructing the pyramid-shaped Ryugyong Hotel in 1987, reportedly aiming for 105 stories to beat out a structure the South Koreans were building in Singapore. The building was to contain 3,000 rooms and 7 revolving restaurants. The estimated cost of building it ran upwards of $750 million, which is 2% of North Korea's GDP. It's generally assumed construction came to a halt in 1991 because North Korea was suffering from famine, acute electricity shortages, and lack of necessary funding. The basic structure is complete, but no windows, fixtures or fittings have been installed. According to http://www.skyscrapers.com, the concrete used in building the Ryugyong Hotel is of unsuitable quality and therefore is unsafe – it cannot therefore be completed as currently built. With annual tourism numbering less than a hundred, some question the logic of building such a massive hotel. Pyongyang's few existing hotels remain to this day, virtually empty.
It's just a ronery hotel, oh so ronery
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Effers;England. Posted May 22, 2010
OP.
>what should be done about North Korea and the threats it has made????<
From a UK perspective..absolutely nothing, unless they are threatening us.
Apart from Trident, the cupboard is almost bare.
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8584330 Posted May 22, 2010
Hey, not fair, Taff. A formal peace agreement ending the Korean War has not yet been signed; therefore, we're already at war with them, and have been so steadily since 1950.
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- 1: Taff Agent of kaos (May 22, 2010)
- 2: MMF - Keeper of Mustelids, with added P.M.A., is now in a relationship. (May 22, 2010)
- 3: Christopher (May 22, 2010)
- 4: Icy North (May 22, 2010)
- 5: Xanatic (May 22, 2010)
- 6: kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website (May 22, 2010)
- 7: Icy North (May 22, 2010)
- 8: Mister Matty (May 22, 2010)
- 9: Mister Matty (May 22, 2010)
- 10: Mister Matty (May 22, 2010)
- 11: swl (May 22, 2010)
- 12: Xanatic (May 22, 2010)
- 13: Mister Matty (May 22, 2010)
- 14: Mister Matty (May 22, 2010)
- 15: Taff Agent of kaos (May 22, 2010)
- 16: Todaymueller (May 22, 2010)
- 17: swl (May 22, 2010)
- 18: Effers;England. (May 22, 2010)
- 19: Taff Agent of kaos (May 22, 2010)
- 20: 8584330 (May 22, 2010)
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