h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

"They think its rubbish loosing all the time..."

They think, lets find the easiest liberal leaning targets and tar all people left of center with the labels "hippie" "tree hugger" "commie" "sadam supporter" etc and get highly offended when it get turned around. - as Kerravon just demonstrated.

You won't hear me use any of terms in a broad spectrum- why should I? All I know about your political leanings is you style yourself a liberal. That could mean you hug trees, it means you're not a communist, otherwise you'd call yourself so. You're highly unlikely to actually support Saddam, although you may well be opposed to military intervention in Iraq, and I have no idea whether you were or are a hippy. I can't know your opinion in those areas without getting to know you. Same as you can't know whether I'm racist, or support IDS, without *asking*.

I suppose its all to do with the spectrum of belief, tree hugging is at the extremis of liberal belief and racism is percieved to be at the extremis of conservative belief. Where people are on that spectrum depends on the person.

Researcher PSG

Indeed. Exactly the point I was trying to make

Racism is the extreme of right-wing belief thought, not Conservatism. There is a difference- The Nazis were right-wing, but not conservative.

"...tree hugging is at the extremis of liberal belief..."

Really? I mean, I can't see Donald Rumsfeld doing it, but all the same...I think the decision to hug a tree is pretty much divorced from your political beliefs. I know someone who does it, apparently because she gets some kind of wicked buzz from the trees. Whatever boils your billy, is my philosophy...

I think we were probably talking about metaphorical hugs to metaphorical trees...

...but in the context that would also indicate we were talking about metaphorical antipathy towards metaphorical people of other races.

Tricky one

I was using the marker points previously used.

Personally I think people who hug trees are a bit bark-ing

Researcher PSG

To clarify. The example I used are ones I've witnessed used in blanket terms by barking conservatives. and would make more sense if it wern't caught in a page turner.

For record. I wouldn't call myself a "liberal" as my beliefs are very specific. Too specific to subscribe to a system but my politics are left of center.

Hello Kerr.

I think you are getting my use of the word conservative, mixed up withthe Conervative Party and people who vote for that party.

It would be wrong of anyone to suggest that ALL conservatives or Conservative Party members are racists. Apologies for any confusion caused.







What party was Enoch Powell a member of?

Hello Kerr.

I think you are getting my use of the word conservative, mixed up withthe Conervative Party and people who vote for that party.

It would be wrong of anyone to suggest that ALL conservatives or Conservative Party members are racists. Apologies for any confusion caused.







What party was Enoch Powell a member of?

First the Conservative Party, then he quit, then rejoined, then got booted out, then joined the Ulster Unionists.

Most people probably aren't going to agree with every single one of the views of any one party if they think about it. Most MPs within any specific party probably won't either, especially if we talk in terms of the UK or USA where large umbrella parties are the norm.

So branding someone based on a political label is a bit of a non-starter most of the time, excepting complete .

And, to be honest, I find the completely brainwashed conservative types to be no more idiotic than 'knee-jerk liberalism', a beautiful term provided by one of our more conservative researchers (although which one escapes me at this moment, ).

Speaking of such, bouncy. In my vid collection is "enemy of the state". What was 'far fetched' in that movie is reality now.

When ever someone wanted to conver lunatic or subversive, the words they'd use would be "left-wing" or "liberal".

Go back a few years and if anyone memtioned the things now in the patriot act (gotta love that name) and they'd be labelled lonny liberal conspiricy theorists. Now, conservatives defend that very same act.

Wouldn't the world be a simpler place if we were all conservatives and thought what we were told to think? If you think that is harsh then just look at one year's reality and step back a few years to when conservatives were calling anyone who suggested it 'lonny liberal conspiricy theorists'.

Try it. It's fun and just a little un-nerving .

(please excuse me if this comes out wrong, I've been drinking)


Apparition, will you *please* learn to differentiate between those Americans that call themselves 'conservatives' and 'Tory policies'. There's an important diffences. Convervatives wish to avoid changes. Convervatives, or Tories, believe in lazsise faiare (that's spelt wrong), Governments do not interfer, it's up to the general population to do as they please, and, therefore, look after themselves.

Please don't confuse what Americans call conservatism with what the rest of the world knows as conservatism, they are very different.

same with "liberal", btw.

(I mean, the American definition [roughly:"dirty commie sh$*"] is not the same as that of the rest of the world)

I always found it very humorous to watch Americans acting as though "liberal" were a dirty word when we Canadians have had the Liberal Party as our ruling political party for a goodly portion of our history.

As I get older I just come more and more to see the ridiculous (and dangerous) insularity and provincialism of American society.

I'll tackle that when you're sober then. Sufice to say that what you describe looks more like libertarianism than anything else. My example may have been american but it's not alone in it's flavour of conservatism.

You have a Liberal Party party too? we had one a hundred years back. They passed universal sufferage back in 1893 by granting women's sufferage.

I'll be back on Wednesday. Sober, I hope The concept of the Government of leaving evrything alone is, however a conservative one. But I'm not starting a debate on politics when I'm pissed Respect that, yes?

Last post on the subject, purely a history thing: We have liberal party, yes. They were the Whigs. Until about 100 years ago, they were one of the main parties, now they're the third party.