A Conversation for The h2g2 Doctor Who Group
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jul 9, 2008
Well, if everybody agrees that the Woman Doctor has been eliminated, we're still left with a Black Doctor and an Ex-Navy Arizona Doctor.
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Alfster Posted Jul 9, 2008
And the names were just call signs. And it wasn't supposed to be the same character. A nice little touch that.
Also, everything seems to have to be PC and metrosexual blah blah blah.
The Dr's a bloke just let him be a bloke.
It's the same with James Bond, people saying lets have a female James Bond...he's a bloke.
We have had a black chap play Henry IV in Shakespeare as they considered he was the best actor for the role.
I would love to see whether someone could get away with casting a white guy to play Martin Luther King because he was the best actor! That would be interesting.
Or Jesus as a woman...it's just a story.
Or a Mr Marple rather than a Mrs Marple.
It all seems alot of change for the sake of PC-ness sometimes.
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Alfster Posted Jul 9, 2008
I am surprised he hasn't been censured for sexism. Women can be Dr's too...but if it meant Nurse Who wearing a nurses uniform
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jul 9, 2008
He was about 8 at the time, and as he has Asperger Syndrome, he has difficulty understanding the world.
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Just Bob aka Robert Thompson, plugging my film blog cinemainferno-blog.blogspot.co.uk Posted Jul 9, 2008
I'm astonished that the best part of the last episode has still gone unmentioned: Davros' speech about what the Doctor does to his companions. For me, the rest of it pales in comparison to that. It did exactly what I love to see in SF/fantasy, and indeed like to try writing myself: take an accepted idea, flip it around to look at from another direction, and see something new. The very idea that people giving their lives to save others is not heroic but sinister blows me away. It's a widely established post-9/11 starting point, admittedly, but I don't think anyone's ever done it like this!
Okay, the German Daleks were good, and Doctor/Donna vs. half-Doctor, but they were fleeting entertainments compared to the _real_ food-for-thought.
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kelli - ran 2 miles a day for 2012, aiming for the same for 2013 Posted Jul 9, 2008
If it wasn't possible to have a human/timelord metacrisis, why didn't Rose's Doctor's head explode as well as the doctor/donna?
I agree with Just Bob that the bit revealing that the Doctor might be a pacifist but he turns the people around him into weapons was very important and gives plenty of scope for introspective moping in future episodes. I don't think he'd manage for long without a companion though, do you think it would be the same without a foil to explain things to? Or perhaps he will pick people up for an episode at a time? I suppose that is possible as it is all specials next year isn't it?
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Alfster Posted Jul 9, 2008
The problem with Davros' speech to the Dr was I totally disagreed with what he said.
The Dr invariable lands in a situation where, had he not been there and pushed the course of events to a resolution almost everyone in that situation would have died. What happens is that people around him realise that to save their colleagues etc their sacrifice is what is required. It happens in wars etc. It brings the 'best' out of people. It shows what people are capable with regards to self-sacrifice. The Dr doesn't make them do this. Had the Dr not been present more deaths would have occurred. It is a testament to the strength and bravey of races all over the Who-niverse.
Due to all the flashbacks I would say RTD meant Davros to say what he he said in the way the Dr seemed to take it.
RTD has this notion that death follows the Dr around. It has been a theme before. I disagree the Dr follows death around and helps the people in those dire situations foil death with the least amount of casualties possible.
RTD reduces the humna spirit and the breadth of self-sacrifice and achvievements to saying it was the Dr that made them do it.
In an ironically similar vien in which religious people thank their god for giving them atheletics prowess, being cured of cancer, having kids by IVF at aged 70, being saved from South America. All these religious people miss the point that it is they and other humans that have done and made these deeds possible and it reduces them to near puppets.
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Alfster Posted Jul 9, 2008
Hmmm, the Dr has blown a fair few things up in his time. And it's only recently that he has had people sacrificing themselves for the greater good.
I think it was the line about turning people into weapons that made me think of what I wrote above. I wasn't sure of the line that did it when I wrote it so thanks for the memory jog.
It might be interesting to not have companions especially after what Davros revealed. It would be interesting as RTD generally has a companion saving the day so it would be good for him to allow the Dr to do that instead.
A companion is required for interplay and carrying the narrative through the Tardis scenes and setting up of scenarios.
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Kerr_Avon - hunting stray apostrophes and gutting poorly parsed sentences Posted Jul 9, 2008
"If it wasn't possible to have a human/Timelord metacrisis, why didn't Rose's Doctor's head explode as well as the Doctor/Donna?"
Because the other Doctor wasn't a human/Timelord metacrisis, he was a Timelord/human metacrisis. Important difference.
Doctor/Donna was a human with a Timelord's knowledge and abilities stuffed into a too-small head.
The other Doctor was a lot of Timelord with a bit of human - mostly biology, but some of Donna's personality. It's like you can't fit a quart into a pint pot, but you can put a pint into a quart pot.
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onigashimas Posted Jul 9, 2008
On reading in one of the "tabloids" about Roses strange new accent sounding like she had to many teeth . I hadnt noticed till i read that particular article .Then that was it every time she spoke i was fixated on her speech and mouth .Was it just me am i going more nuts than I ALLREADY AM ?
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Alfster Posted Jul 9, 2008
There wre alot of teeth in there.
But then again even so (hick Yank accent) she's got a pretty mouth.
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jul 9, 2008
the only confusion I have is when did billy piper go all chelsey set? On confidential she comes across very softly spoken, slightly posh and possibly as the sort of person who likes horses.
I'm sure she didn't used to be like that?
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Just Bob aka Robert Thompson, plugging my film blog cinemainferno-blog.blogspot.co.uk Posted Jul 9, 2008
I think Rose was rather toothy in Turn Left, but it went away for the last two eps, or so it seemed to me.
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Jim Lynn Posted Jul 9, 2008
I think she always did, but you usually see her made up as Rose, so you don't notice the softening of the accent. I've noticed it when she's been interviewed on other programmes. Rose's accent is not her natural one at all.
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Elentari Posted Jul 9, 2008
Her speech was definitely better in the last two episodes than in Turn Left.
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Just Bob aka Robert Thompson, plugging my film blog cinemainferno-blog.blogspot.co.uk Posted Jul 9, 2008
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BouncyBitInTheMiddle Posted Jul 9, 2008
Starbuck? Babe? Reefgirl, you demonstrate once again that women have no taste .
I don't think they'd actually lose many viewers if the Doctor became a woman, and there are certainly women who could pull off the role.
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- 1448: Just Bob aka Robert Thompson, plugging my film blog cinemainferno-blog.blogspot.co.uk (Jul 9, 2008)
- 1449: kelli - ran 2 miles a day for 2012, aiming for the same for 2013 (Jul 9, 2008)
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