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Entry: Edith Cavell - Nurse and WWI Martyr (1865 - 1915) - A5689119
Author: Abbaga Lexy - U128652



GB

GB, I feel it my duty to ask: would you be interested in removing this from PR and adding it to MJ's Uni project on Forgotten Heroines (A5841498)?

I forgot to mention that it's a very good entry.

Thanks, didn't know about that. Can it take already edited entries?

No - apparently that's not allowed. But MJ has a long list of 'referenced entries' on the project page. If you have an edited entry you can link to it from there.

OK. I've left him a message at the thread. Will it get edited like normal?

GB, if you want this to be part of the university project, it will need to be removed from PR. There's a different process for Uni entries (<./>university-what</.> if you want to read the whole thing) but basically projects don't go through the PR forum

I have already removed it from PR

Er ... don't mean to chuck a spanner in the works or anything, but how 'forgotten' can a heroine be if there's a twenty-foot high statue of her at the foot of the Charing Cross Road? Seen by tens of thousands of people every day, tourists and Londoners alike?

Don't get me wrong, the University Project is great - but should every new entry on someone historical and female get bunged its way? This one seems to me to stand up perfectly well on its own - nor is Cavell exactly 'forgotten'.

(My , obviously)

Oh well, what shall I do then? Resubmit it to PR?

Well, all I'll say is that your own entry (which is great, btw ) talks about: an annual memorial, a bloomin' big statue, a great deal of state ceremony when her remains were returned to Britain, a mountain, etc., etc.

It's just the word 'forgotten' that doesn't seem to me to fit in that case (looking down the list of names on the University Project, I vaguely recognise one or two, don't have a clue about most - 'Edith Cavell' I recognise immediately).

Well I consider myself to be at least *fairly* well educated - A Level History, that kind of thing - as well as travelling through Charing Cross at least once a week. I'd never heard of her.

Sorry for revealing my ignorance! I'd suggest that to a fairly large proportion of people on the street (and by extension reading h2g2), Edith Cavell is *exactly* the sort of person who would be an ideal fit for this kind of Uni project. She might be very well known by *some* people, but I really don't think she's very well known at all. I took a very quick straw poll amongst a gang of people here in the office and nobody could tell me who she was. Having now read the article, I think that lack of info is a terrible shame!

Paully

Can I just add - trying to poach entries that have been submitted to PR for a UNi project is *not* the done thing.

*hands Jimster a *


GB, I would personally advise that you resubmit to PR.

It is a very good piece work and educational (as Paully found out)


lil xx

Fair enough Paully

But I'd still say there has to be a difference between 'forgotten' (not as recognisable as you once were) and 'forgotten' (unjustly overlooked by history) - because the first applies to all sorts of historical figures, of both sexes.

Nor does the first involve Anna Neagle playing you in a film :

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031737/

I may have to take a poll at Ask H2G2 - it looks like opinion here is equally divided!

Then again, I'll make a decision myself after I've slept on it.

GB

I don't understand what you mean by 'poaching from PR'. I suggested that GB submit her entry to the project that MJ is running because I thought it would be well-suited to what MJ was looking for. Other Researchers have contributed to the project; I didn't think there was anything wrong with suggesting that GB remove her entry from PR and add it to the project instead, *if* she was interested in doing so.

I'm not exactly an expert in history, so maybe I'm just displaying my ignorance, but I'd never heard of Edith Cavell either, so I thought she might be a good 'forgotten' heroine.

Where did I go wrong in this thought process?

Sorry, I didn't see that EMR was doing anything wrong either. There's nothing I've read that says you can't suggest other entries for a University project, even if it is in PR. GB may have not been interested in that route, but there's nothing that says it can't be suggested. If there is a problem that it is 'not the done thing' it needs to be more implicit; the University has only been reborn for a few weeks and you can't expect us to be au fait with protocols already. If I'd known about the project, I'd have suggested the same. The implication that EMR should have known better somehow is a little unfair.

Thanks Rich.

Only just noticed this one, as have had reality issues (sigh)
Thanks to EMR for flicking the Uni Project under GB's eyes

Edith would be a nice addition to the Project and I can see both view points (that is, the fact that she is perhaps not as forgotten as some of the other ladies in the Project).

However, I am a little miffed (again) at the use of the word 'poaching'. The Sub-Editor allocated to the Uni Project in question has merely suggested that the Entry be put forward for the Project. The author (GB) doesn't have to put the Entry into the project at all. And this Entry has not been selected by a Scout so is no way near being put into the Editing Process, so the h2g2 'peers' are perfectly within their rights to suggest to GB what she could and could not do, as is the case with all matters concerning Entries in PR (as far as I know).

Without increible psychic powers the suggestion could not have come about until GB had submitted her Entry to a review forum, unless of course EMR wants to trawl through the entirety of h2g2 looking for potential entries to 'poach'. Which I'm sure she doesn't.

So I guess what I'm saying is, it's up to GB what she wants to do with the Entry as suggested by a Peer Reviewer. She can leave it in Peer Review and let it go through the 'normal' editorial process. Or she can take it out and pop it into the Project. That's her perogative. Not anyone else's. It's not Crown Land in here after all.

MJ