h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

You've got that wrong too, Adib. Einstein concocted the Cosmological Constant to account for the expansion of the universe (also called 'inflation'). He later said it was a mistake but these days the 'inflation' idea is accepted.

Know you are wrong. If a woman has a baby and is noit married she can not be done by proper Islamic law for adultery. What I am saying is that a lot of places do not follow it properly and so use a baby as a means to persecute for adultery. It is simple there has to be four witnesses as in the law it does not say any thing about rether or not a woman has a baby. It only says about a woman who is having a baby when proved to have commited adultery.
No it does not take to be a scholor to know the law but the point is I can ask them and I know it is right. Thats why I asked them since you have all started accusing me of lieing to you. (Exemp those who have not). Tell yu what come back to me in two years after I have finished my training to become a islamic scholor. I am moving to Pakistan soon to learn in a univerity over there but I may get better and get a place in Medina. Inshallah.

Adib

I don't know enough to know if your right or wrong on the subject so I stand corrected. Thanks

Adib

Adib, I didn't actually accuse you of lying. Misleading us, maybe, mistakenly maybe. Laws should be clear to those living under them. Otherwise it isn't fair to punish someone for an offence that they don't even understand is an offence.

This point about adultery is about the only thing I've researched on Islamic law, for the purposes of this debate. My example was of a married woman whose husband has been away for a year. If she's pregnant, surely it's proof of adultery (or has he mailed sperm to her for artificial insemination?). Kinda risky move.

The red shift is not proof that the universe is expanding, it't proof that there is a change in the wave-length of light over millions of years. If space is expanding, then all space is expanding, even the space between atoms and electrons and if that is the case then the wave-length of the light from atoms in the early universe would not be the same as now but woud be blue shifted. If you believe that it's just the space between galaxies that's expanding then you are not talking about the Big Bang theory.

Alji the Magus (don't forget to record your sun sign @ A712595 ) Pastor of the Church of Spiritual Humanism.

Hasslefree;

"If you look at it like that and can understand it.
no experience in life is truly good or bad, because everything has value.
I believe that we are reborn in different scenerios to help us to experience, everything, so that we can get understanding from it on a personal level and having understood it move on/evolve to the next thing."

Right. Dead right.
That is faith in a nutshell. It is your faith, neither good or bad. The first two lines also explain my belief, and somewhere in between the middle of the United States and your land are 10 million similar agreements.

We all agree that we have the right to have our individual beliefs, and become frustrated when others cannot understand/ accept/ incorporate/ change theirs to reflect ours. Our training comes from watching an adult roll up a newspaper and swat the dog on the nose for peeing on the floor. The dog does not have to share our belief system, only the floor. He will very likely treat this act of agression as an act of war and go off and potty somewhere we cannot readily find it, neither accepting our values, questioning his, or changng his behavior to suit our belief system. He will do what he always will do, and if we TRAIN him, he will accomodate us. Only accomodate, never believe or accept our beliefs as valid.

Ho Hum

Sorry just used to C vs E. Laws are clear but consider this how many people in Britain know the full law for them.
The point is people know she has commited Adultery but she can't bu punished just because she has had a baby. if that was the case poor Mary.
As for your suggestion it is Islamic law that the man can not leave his wife for any longer than four months and some scholors suggest it may mean just a month. So if he was a way for four months then she can if she wishes get a divorce and marry some one else.

Adib

Yep but our colour perception organs and our instruments are expanding too; so the whole thing cancels out. There's a problem about the intra-atomic forces to if you think that atoms are expanding. Planck's constant I seem to recall. I think you're up the creek on this one, Alji.

Nooooooooooooo Every thing is expanding from a single point and from each other. (Glaxies anyway). Like dots on a baloon when you blow it up.

Adib

There won't be any Islamic astronauts visiting Mars then - unless they are single or women. Hey, what if the wife goes away for a year? There is a theory that Mary was raped by a Roman soldier. I don't entirely rule it out.

That's what we're told, Adib. I know the balloon analogy. I just don't see why, if it all started at the point of the big bang, it wouldn't just all shoot out at the same speed. Why should something have only gone the odd light year even now after all that force has been applied to it? Seems odd considering other stuff formed at the same time is 15 billion lightyears away! Why the difference?

ive read in a physics books that my school teaches with that blue stars are just heavier, red ones ligher and yellow-white are in-between, maybe the blue and red r the wrong way around.

Can u explain this to me please

You throw a heavy ball and a light ball into a vacuum. They travel at the same speed for the same distance, do they not?

ok i am not sure if that was meant to answer my question buts its like 3am here so could u please explain a bit

Anyway, at the 'big bang' you start by throwing plasma, gas, dust etc. No stars yet. Seems odd that forming into stars could slow down the bits!

was exactly the point I was making. In this case because the definitions are circular. Existence is a semantic primitive.

Noggin

excuse me but i am very tired and want to go to bed could someone please just answer my question

Ok Iffy, try this one. They used to think that heavy balls fell faster than light ones. Then Galileo tried it by dropping one of each off the Tower of Pisa. They landed at the same time. So I'm asking you how the mass of a star could influence the speed at which it goes away from the centre. Hey, we'd have all one colour on the outside and another on the inside. We'd go thro the spectrum as we went out from the centre. That doesn't happen tho, does it?

Blue stars are hotter than red stars; white stars are intermediate. This is a classification of the types of stars. Blue shift and red shift are measures of the shift of absorption spectra against the wavelengths of light that reach us.

Noggin

Yep, you hafta end up with ostensive definitions. That was my point too, Noggin. Wittgenstein's also I think when he went on about logically private languages.